Below Peace, Gman http://www.thevenusproject.com/index.php "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <dsw32952@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Curiosity may kill the reckless maverick > So far the problem has happened only when booting from a power off > state. And, IIRC, only when I leave it alone to boot to the default OS > (Vista). > > The idea of it being a power or data cable would have occurred to me if > it did not appear to be an intermittent occurrence and if it did not fix > itself after a couple of three finger salutes. Intermittent NEVER excludes the possibility of a hardware issue, even a cord or cable. All it takes is a nearly broken lead or a little corrosion on a single contact to bring down a system, even intermittently. Pull each end of the data cables and reseat them to fix the corrosion issue. Replace them to fix a broken wire. If you're not in a position to replace, even as a test, at least reseat them. > If we assume it is indeed a cable or its connection, I would assume the > change in setup is because the drive is not seen and setup automatically > changes it settings to the other drive. Correct. > I will try to pay more attention to this over the next few days and note > the circumstances on each boot where it occurs. Perhaps we will get > some more clues. In July or August I will be ordering a new power > supply and video card for the HP (and a new video card for the old Dell > and some additional memory for our laptops). That will eliminate the > power cord as a possibility. I may go ahead and order some new data > cables as they appear to be reasonably cheap (as low as $1.99 at > Newegg). Until then I will take notes and live with the problem. Living with the problem would be rather reckless! lol > Another option will be to take the 160 out of the HP and swap it with > the 250GB in the Dell. > > HP has demonstrated to me that they are not happy with customers that > want to make their computers work in anyway other than the way HP wants > them to work. Without intending to sound paranoid, is there anything > in the CMOS or BIOS that HP could muck with that would cause or > contribute to problems like this? They can tie a BIOS to a specific mobo and they can use proprietary parts to keep out compeditor's hardware, but they can't control partitioning, multi-booting, etc.. If you are running their version of the operating system, they can also try to limit many software options, but I don't see any way how that would have this effect. > Don --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. To subscribe, unsubscribe or modify your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk OR To subscribe to the mailing list, send an email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject. To unsubscribe send email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject. To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To join our separate PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------