Craig Birkmaier wrote: > First, there are some good reasons that PVRs are > primarily being deployed by broadcast competitors: > > 1. They already need a STB to deliver digital > services, so the PVR is a small incremental cost > with a significant upside in terms of the revenues > that this feature generates; Craig, I don't disagree that competitors might have their own interests at heart when they pay to deploy their own PVRs. But the market for NTSC recording devices, DVDRs and PVRs, apparently still exists. That's practically all you see on store shelves that an OTA user can buy. All I'm asking is why aren't the ATSC versions of EXACTLY these same products appearing? Or better yet, combined ATSC/digital cable versions of these products. This wouldn't cost OTA broadcasters anything. They don't need to invest in the consumer's equipment, as their competitors do. > 2, These systems offer a solid EPG to drive the PVR > capabilities. There is no equivalent with OTA DTV > broadcasts. For OTA the STB must access every > channel and pull out the PSIP data... That's simply a matter of clever vs brain-dead software design, Craig. First off, of course, TV program listings that are not electronic still do exist, in spite of TV Guide's efforts. But more importantly, an ATSC PVR can certainly scan TV channels in the background, e.g. when in idle mode, to acquire and store a complete OTA broadcast EPG. This is hardly rocket science. Of course, companies like TiVo would not get their infinite revenue stream if they sold such a product. Then again, their CE competition would have something to sell that people might actually want. That's how competition is supposed to work. So where is it? > I suspect that the real reason you are not seeing > ATSC receivers with integrated PVRs is due to the > following: > > 1. There is virtually no market for stand alone > ATSC receivers, and little demand for integrated > ATSC receivers in HD capable displays. If there's a market for NTSC recording devices, and there must be because they are on store shelves, and if viewership drops by 35 percent or more when analog stations shut down suddenly, clearly an OTA clintele does exist. That OTA viewership needs to be migrated to ATSC, but of course they need to be informed and products need to be made available. Price shouldn't be a problem. If an ATSC DVDR or PVR can be sold for $50 more than its NTSC counterpart, which the CE manufacturers have claimed they can do, no one would even flinch. DVDRs sold when they cost hundreds more than a VCR. Consumers don't mind spending a little more for what they perceive to be a better product. ATSC doesn't have to mean *only* HD. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.