[opendtv] Re: News: WirelessHD Consortium

  • From: "Bob Miller" <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:07:31 -0500

And I pointed out that my interest had nothing to do with the
consortium's proposed use. I am interested in the chips and other
technology that could be used for other purposes. The longer range
uses suffer from a small market that cannot generate inexpensive
silicon. SiBEAM's vision is of a very large market that must create
very low cost silicon. It may create something that can be used in the
other market or in between the indoor and the 60 GHz radios. Something
that cost more than $100 but less than $20,000.

Interference is not a big issue with lasers and it is not as big an
issue with these narrow RF beam 60 and 70-90 GHz radios either. The
license required for 70-90 GHz was only argued for to prevent
interference and it has a nominal fee for registering.

Bob Miller

On 11/6/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Which, as I pointed out at the beginning of this thread, has virtually nothing 
to do with the consortium's proposal, except that it uses similar frequencies.

I guess you lost the concept that FM uses licensed spectrum and suffers only 
minimal interference, and that CB uses unlicensed spectrum and is full of 
interference.

And, that there is a world of difference between enjoying 60ghz in your home on 
an unlicensed and minimally interfering basis, and trying to get a 60-ghz 
signal to travel up to 1.2 miles reliably without the protection of a license 
that gives you more protection from interference.

I would point out that in the higher frequency bands, what is unlicensed today 
today tends to become licensed tomorrow (above 100 mw)


John Willkie

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Nov 6, 2006 7:44 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: WirelessHD Consortium
>
>The distance we are talking about is up to 2 kM for 60 GHz and up to 5
>miles for 70-90 GHz. The beam is very narrow and say only 12 ft in
>diameter at receiver. More like laser than cb or FM.
>
>Bob Millr
>
>On 11/6/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> yeah, unlicensed spectrum is so much better than licensed (primary user) 
spectrum to send signals over distance.
>>
>> think cb versus FM radio.
>>
>> John Willkie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Nov 1, 2006 1:34 PM
>> >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: WirelessHD Consortium
>> >
>> >As far as I know that is all licensed spectrum, LMDS/MMDS, none of
>> >which I own. Also had a lot of problems with LMDS spectrum years ago.
>> >No, I like the very high directionality of this spectrum in the 60 GHz
>> >and 80-90 GHz and I like the fact that 60 GHz is unlicensed and 80-90
>> >is minimally licensed. That is a fee for and quick registration of
>> >only.
>> >
>> >Have no problem with IEEE 802.16 but I believe it is designed more for
>> >a shared shotgun RF use and not for the rifle shot full duplex
>> >multiple Gbps connections I am interested in.
>> >
>> >Bob Miller
>> >
>> >On 11/1/06, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Bob Miller wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Line of sight yes but I don't think bird fade is an
>> >> > issue, more like window washer fade. The beam is
>> >> > spread near the transmitter and receiver. At low
>> >> > cost you could envision all nodes having multiple
>> >> > transceivers with each being full duplex backups of
>> >> > each other. A meshy redundant network
>> >>
>> >> Bob, I still don't understand what you are creating here.
>> >>
>> >> The article we're referring to talked about a 10 meter range system, for
>> >> internal hookup of audio/video equipment where the video can be
>> >> uncompressed. A wireless form of HDMI, if you will. That's why the
>> >> comparison with UWB, which is intended for a similar mission, or maybe
>> >> better characterized as "wireless USB."
>> >>
>> >> You seem to be adressing something else. If you are trying to use a 60
>> >> GHz carrier for a two-way last mile link, then what's wrong with the
>> >> existing IEEE 802.16, MMDS/LMDS, which is already a standard that takes
>> >> you all the way up to 66 GHz, and does so with any number of optional
>> >> encapsulations (i.e. even ATM, if you like)?
>> >>
>> >> Bert
>> >>
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