[opendtv] Re: Math of oversampling
- From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:31:20 -0400
Bob Miller wrote:
But every Congressional
> critter there was lapping up the hype and believing everything
they
> heard about this receiver verbatim. They want to bad. But they
do not
> want to test, set receiver standards or talk to anyone who
cautions that
> there are concerns and opportunities.
>
> They only are concerned about, and quickly will agree, that
this is all
> about short term political expediency.
They can't get there from here.
But they might be enticed instead by the idea of renting the
spectrum instead of selling it. Then the broadcasters could also
start leasing the second channel and have an incentive to either
make ATSC work or say it doesn't.
Just start renting the spectrum for a bit more every year until
the fees reach whatever market value other participants are
willing to pay. It becomes a market, sounds good, and takes in
the money they'd like.
- Tom
> Same here. Wish I could understand what is being discussed more. Wish I
> had something to add.
>
> Can't help but thinking though that such discussion will find that
> "sweet spot" I am looking for where the best resolution for the money or
> bit rate meets the needs of the most viewers and delivers the most
> content at the least cost.
>
> Sounds like it is somewhere between 480P and 576P at the moment.
>
> I am just going to keep on listening.
>
> Spent yesterday at the Rayburn building watching and participating as
> the House Commerce Committee works to come up with their bill. As usual
> very educational. I think I scored at least a couple of points for the
> other side. The basis of the discussion revolved around the
> demonstration of an 8-VSB solid state tuner/demodulator/MPEG2
> receiver/converter, only S Video and composite out. Will sell for $50 or
> $40, price kept changed on the spot even as I tried to pin it down and
> should retail for $65 by Christmas if a hard deadline was passed by July
> or so.
>
> Questions pertaining to this conversation that I did not know while
> there. What is the IP royalty cost today for MPEG2, 8-VSB, Dolby and
> anything else that would be involved in such a receiver? They were
> saying total today of $4 and that was included in the $40 or $50. They
> did not necessarily know because the entity demonstrating would not be
> paying.
>
> Also if the price of this board was say $50 in quantity of a million
> what would be the rest of the markup for the company putting it in an
> STB or TV set and how would they do that for all of $15. That was what
> was being quoted to the Congresscritters, $15 for a total of $65 in a
> quantity buy of a million. I would of thought that the royalty cost
> alone were in the over $10 range with LG asking $6 for 8-VSB alone. And
> the markup for the OEM who after all has a bit of metal bending,
> electrical, shipping, packaging, selling and marketing cost would be
> more than $15 total wouldn't it?
>
> They kept bringing up the cost of DVDs which is a good point but what
> does anybody think?
>
> But all the above is moot if the thing doesn't work. We are supposed to
> get one of these to test now too. That will make five receivers we are
> waiting on. Three 5th gen LG, one 5th gen ATI with a special RF front
> end (also same front end for one LG) and the one with the solid state
> tuner mentioned above.
>
> One other question. I had always been told that you take a hit with a
> solid state tuner. That you pay in performance. Since this is a new
> solid state front end and the front end now seems to be the problem
> wouldn't this be a step back?
>
> We will see. Those demonstrating this unit said that it had worked
> faithfully in five cities so far. One of them was not New York however.
> I had the impression that low price was the main deal here. This unit
> was not designed to be the best though that was what had lured me to DC.
> This unit is supposed to be that low cost insert to satisfy the mandate,
> the cheapest thing you can find. The thing whose proven existence will
> bring Dingell and Markey into the 2006 camp. But every Congressional
> critter there was lapping up the hype and believing everything they
> heard about this receiver verbatim. They want to bad. But they do not
> want to test, set receiver standards or talk to anyone who cautions that
> there are concerns and opportunities.
>
> They only are concerned about, and quickly will agree, that this is all
> about short term political expediency.
>
> I think they are underestimating the Senate and its Commerce Committee
> Chairman's political sense myself.
>
> Would be nice however if it also worked, the receiver that is. My mind
> is open till we test. And as usual I was wearing two hats, I wanted a
> cheap 8-VSB receiver that works plug and play right now, I wanted a
> quick solution to the DTV transition impasse and a hard date for the
> transition so that other spectrum can be used with COFDM which is
> perfect for our plans and I wanted Congress to switch to COFDM and MPEG4
> now because that is so obviously the right thing to do for the public.
>
> Bob Miller
>
> John Golitsis wrote:
>
>
>>Couldn't agree with you more, Craig. Even though I often can't begin
>>to understand what I'm reading, I do find it terribly fascinating,
>>and I'm sure I do end up absorbing some of it. I've learned so much
>>over the years and I thank you all for that!
>>
>>
>>On 29-Apr-05, at 5:51 AM, Craig Birkmaier wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It is at times like this that I take a bit of pride in the fact that
>>>the OpenDTV list keeps going, and going, and going. The discussions
>>>of the past few days have been first rate - I hope everyone is
>>>learning as much as I have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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