[opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's Monday Memo
- From: "Allen Le Roy Limberg" <allimberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:06:33 -0500
There is a few dollar difference on patent licensing fees, it is reported.
Allen
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From: "Tony Neece" <tonyneece@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:15 AM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's Monday Memo
> John Wilkie remarked:=20
> ...the chip/IP cost (to the manufacturer) for those fantastic fifth
> generation sets is in the same neighborhood as the wholesale cost (to =
> the
> retailer) for a DVB-T receiver.
>
> That is quite a big difference. Any idea for the reason? Perhaps =
> because
> COFDM has been around longer and is a common telephone mux technology? =
> Or
> is it because the DVB receiver manufacturers have gone ahead producing =
> them
> in volume? Do you know about the cost of MPEG decoder chips? I'd guess =
> they
> are in great volume by now.
>
> By the way, I can't blame retailers for not taking on the yoke of =
> selling
> $250 - $500 STBs to John Q. I do think they have had a lot to do with
> stagnating the R & D efforts.
>
> Thanks for the info
> Tony
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =
> On
> Behalf Of John Willkie
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:17 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's Monday =
> Memo
>
> 8-VSB doesn't work well enough until Mark Schubin gets digital service
> equivalent to or better than what he gets with today's analog. Might =
> never
> happen, but it's something to work for.
>
> Religions are based on putting trust or faith into something that you =
> cannot
> prove. I have yet to hear of any published engineering tests with the =
> new
> sets, only intriguing demos.
>
> You are relatively new to this list, but the chip/IP cost (to the
> manufacturer) for those fantastic fifth generation sets is in the same
> neighborhood as the wholesale cost (to the retailer) for a DVB-T =
> receiver.
>
> John Willkie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Tony Neece
> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:57 AM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's =
> Monday
> > Memo
> >=20
> > I really am puzzled as to how COFDM became a religion! COFDM is =3D
> > telephone
> > technology, after all. ATSC works, and quite well, according to =
> reports =3D
> > from
> > those that have 4th or 5th generation receivers. Are DVB-T decoders =
> =3D
> > really
> > a ton cheaper to make than ATSC receivers? I have not seen any real
> > engineering studies that show DVB-T to have significant advantage over =
> =3D
> > ATSC
> > receivers that have the improved equilizers. If anyone knows of one =
> let =3D
> > me
> > know. I am most interested. =3D20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =3D
> > On
> > Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:53 PM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's =
> Monday =3D
> > Memo
> >=20
> > > - Representative John Dingell called the cost of
> > > adapters a "television tax of $20 to $60 per TV set."
> > > "Why should ordinary people pay for a government decision
> > > that makes their television sets obsolete?":
> > <http://au.news.yahoo.com/051026/11/wikp.html>
> >=20
> > That's easy.
> >=20
> > It wasn't supposed to be this way. The transition started
> > in 1998 for this exact reason. We squandered away 7 years
> > of transition with a "do nothing" policy.
> >=20
> > I'd agree completely that the ATSC receivers of 1998
> > weren't any good. But then again, the Dingells of Congress
> > could have pushed hard to modify ATSC with COFDM at the
> > physical layer, back then, to maybe, perhaps, help avoid
> > this last-minute rush.
> >=20
> > Now is now, though, and ordinary people are being made to
> > pay for govt decisions like they always have throughout
> > history. If we believe this serves some greater good, fine.
> > If not, I'm not sure what he sees as the alternative. Drag
> > the "transition" out forever? Or kill OTA outright? Or
> > just stay with NTSC and free up the DTT spectrum with
> > improved NTSC receivers? What are the alternatives he sees?
> >=20
> > Bert
> >=20
> > =3D20
> > =3D20
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