[opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's Monday Memo
- From: "Tony Neece" <tonyneece@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:15:00 -0800
John Wilkie remarked:=20
...the chip/IP cost (to the manufacturer) for those fantastic fifth
generation sets is in the same neighborhood as the wholesale cost (to =
the
retailer) for a DVB-T receiver.
That is quite a big difference. Any idea for the reason? Perhaps =
because
COFDM has been around longer and is a common telephone mux technology? =
Or
is it because the DVB receiver manufacturers have gone ahead producing =
them
in volume? Do you know about the cost of MPEG decoder chips? I'd guess =
they
are in great volume by now.
By the way, I can't blame retailers for not taking on the yoke of =
selling
$250 - $500 STBs to John Q. I do think they have had a lot to do with
stagnating the R & D efforts.
Thanks for the info
Tony
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On
Behalf Of John Willkie
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:17 PM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's Monday =
Memo
8-VSB doesn't work well enough until Mark Schubin gets digital service
equivalent to or better than what he gets with today's analog. Might =
never
happen, but it's something to work for.
Religions are based on putting trust or faith into something that you =
cannot
prove. I have yet to hear of any published engineering tests with the =
new
sets, only intriguing demos.
You are relatively new to this list, but the chip/IP cost (to the
manufacturer) for those fantastic fifth generation sets is in the same
neighborhood as the wholesale cost (to the retailer) for a DVB-T =
receiver.
John Willkie
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> On Behalf Of Tony Neece
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:57 AM
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> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's =
Monday
> Memo
>=20
> I really am puzzled as to how COFDM became a religion! COFDM is =3D
> telephone
> technology, after all. ATSC works, and quite well, according to =
reports =3D
> from
> those that have 4th or 5th generation receivers. Are DVB-T decoders =
=3D
> really
> a ton cheaper to make than ATSC receivers? I have not seen any real
> engineering studies that show DVB-T to have significant advantage over =
=3D
> ATSC
> receivers that have the improved equilizers. If anyone knows of one =
let =3D
> me
> know. I am most interested. =3D20
>=20
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> On
> Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:53 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 20051029 Schubin's Saturday Stuff (Mark's =
Monday =3D
> Memo
>=20
> > - Representative John Dingell called the cost of
> > adapters a "television tax of $20 to $60 per TV set."
> > "Why should ordinary people pay for a government decision
> > that makes their television sets obsolete?":
> <http://au.news.yahoo.com/051026/11/wikp.html>
>=20
> That's easy.
>=20
> It wasn't supposed to be this way. The transition started
> in 1998 for this exact reason. We squandered away 7 years
> of transition with a "do nothing" policy.
>=20
> I'd agree completely that the ATSC receivers of 1998
> weren't any good. But then again, the Dingells of Congress
> could have pushed hard to modify ATSC with COFDM at the
> physical layer, back then, to maybe, perhaps, help avoid
> this last-minute rush.
>=20
> Now is now, though, and ordinary people are being made to
> pay for govt decisions like they always have throughout
> history. If we believe this serves some greater good, fine.
> If not, I'm not sure what he sees as the alternative. Drag
> the "transition" out forever? Or kill OTA outright? Or
> just stay with NTSC and free up the DTT spectrum with
> improved NTSC receivers? What are the alternatives he sees?
>=20
> Bert
>=20
> =3D20
> =3D20
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