Hi: Yes, I saw some more of Owen's pics and they are the underside of the opposite wing's tertials. It has no primary projection. I did not want to doubt the id, just wanted to be sure I wasn't seeing a projection. Luv them pipits. Sorry for unclear email, should have added sentence stating a RTPI would not have a projection. Bob Pdx > On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Russ Namitz <namitzr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Bob et al~ > > I think the tertials from the other side of the bird overlay the nearside > tertials (i.e. the right tertials are on top of the left tertials). Hence, > we are seeing the dark inner edge of the right tertials. > > Also, I assume that Bob's reference to the unpatterned nape was alluding to > the possibility of a Pechora Pipit. Not that he suggested otherwise, but it > made me do a little research in the subtle differences between the two. > Aside from the field guides, it can be instructive to flip through Google > images of each. > > I think this is a juvenile bird as it has crisp, fresh plumage. It lacks > frayed edges to the wing coverts and tertials and also lacks red in the > throat. > > Cheers, > Russ Namitz > Medford, OR