Hi: So on the third photo down on Owen's link he posted, those are tertials that are dark edged sticking out from the other white edged tertials? Have to be, right. I guess It does look like an unpatterned nape. So no alarm bells from me, just would call those primaries if on any other bird. Maybe they are too blunt. Bob Archer Pdx OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx