[macvoiceover] Re: regarding garage band
- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:20:32 -0400
ye, light shines through, we need to know what we can do and how to do it,
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: regarding garage band
Dont get me wrong david
I have road tested this application in multiple modes from basic two
track audio to recommended maximum methods etc. so basically
navigating through track names and numbers will be a problem
please dont be funny with me about this. guys like me, slau and others
who have been in this kind of audio environment know the strengths,
weaknesses and more of given applications.
garage band is good for basic podcasting, midi and audio recording but
it would be advised that you use a midi keyboard and midi control
surface for mixing, pan assignments etc. I have tested all this out on
my production rig here in my studio with different hardware and yes
tracks respond to midi control change data for volume, pan and track
arm etc. so basically here is the mmain level. you're forgetting that
this product was initially designed for sighted users to be able to do
MOUSE based editing and interaction and not multiple keystrokes etc
with voiceover. editing midi blocks, audio blocks etc either requires
mouse work or creation of locate points per section. these locate
points are saved so you can go to each track point to edit with.
lew
On 10 Mar 2008, at 17:29, David Poehlman wrote:
> This doesn't cut it. not everyone wants to do 16 simultanious
> tracks. some
> want to do podcasts, some want to set instraments and save them.
> there are
> many different uses for gb so before you rain, take a step back,
> scale down
> and punch it again please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:20 PM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: regarding garage band
>
>
> ok well here is a run down of things before you guys get all excited
> here
>
> now I am a professional musician with years of experience between macs
> and PCs with different recording packages.
>
> Garage band is accessible to a limit and I emphasize the word limit.
> it will give you basic recording access. some control over accessing
> parameters for each midi track or software instrument track. audio
> editing and midi editing is in fact a rather serious problem as
> navigating and controlling with voiceover is incredibly awkward and
> not as informative as needed here
>
> running multiple recorded tracks. well lets just say...., FORGET IT.
> after extensive testing recently with my production environment. its
> a waste of time. no track after track 1 is spoken as it cannot
> navigate further or see the interface.. I set up a full 16 channel
> midi 8 channel audio project for a rundown test and I couldn't edit a
> track nor get info on each channel.
>
> the only way around this for recording tracks is to get a midi control
> surface with faders, controller pots and more.
>
> navigating the sound pallette for each software track can be done but
> it is sluggish at times and is a little irritating but none the less
> its navigateable
>
> master track issue. not exactly the best function going and not
> really editable. more effects support, true mastering tools etc would
> be a good idea.
>
> Sorry to rain on people's days here but to be honest after having
> taken some time and some recent tests. forget garage band. I am doing
> some work at present which I will be revealing soon. cant say anything
> just yet but if you're from mac visionaries and know me then you'll
> know my knowledge of the audio recording software market.
>
> if you relally need my help with garage band and want a direct
> tutorial then contact me on skype at lewisjbrock. I will be happy to
> support you as best as I can
>
> lewis
>
>
> On 10 Mar 2008, at 16:45, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> can you answer the questions on the list pleae?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:37 PM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: regarding garage band
>>
>>
>> hi there
>>
>> please contact me on skype regarding garage band. I am a professional
>> musician and mac techie in the UK and have experience with programs
>> like this. I will be offering audio tutorials very soon which can be
>> available hopefully by blindcooltech.
>>
>> any help you need then please feel free to email me directly at
>> lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx
>>
>> or skype me at lewisjbrock. please tell me who you are etc and I will
>> instantly authorise you
>>
>> lewis brock
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 Mar 2008, at 11:29, Ginny wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I’ve been one of those folks who has spent lots of time in
>>> one-
>>> to-one training at the Apple store and then coming home to try to
>>> make some sense of what we as visually impaired users can actually
>>> accomplish with garage band. Here are a few of the problems I’ve
>>> uncovered. Please let me know if there are work-arounds for these
>>> problems, because if there are, then we should definitely put our
>>> heads together and come up with a guide for VO users.
>>> The track listing is not accessible. I can record a track, and then
>>> I can record a new track, but I can’t then go and select one of
>>> those tracks and edit it because I can’t access a track list.
>>>
>>> 2. The list of provided instruments isn’t labeled. I think it
>>> would be possible to memorize where each instrument list is, but
>>> then when you click on the main instrument, you have to select
>>> categories within that instrument which are also not accessible.
>>> Once you can actually get to a list of instruments—say, jazz bass,
>>> you can read through the various names of the jazz bass sound
>>> options. However, getting to that point is incredibly challenging.
>>>
>>> I can’t figure out a way to drag and drop the provided instruments
>>> or loops into a track…I can only listen to their samples.
>>>
>>> There doesn’t seem to be a way to edit individual tracks.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’d love to know if you guys have found work-arounds for these
>>> issues, because if garage band’s not quite accessible, I’m going to
>>> have to resort to Cakewalk. <sad sigh>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Lewis Brock
>> Totally Blind musician and composer of 21st century music
>>
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> Lewis Brock
> Totally Blind musician and composer of 21st century music
>
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Lewis Brock
Totally Blind musician and composer of 21st century music
PHONE: +44 07857 352828
E-MAIL: lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx
MSN: lewis.brock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
SKYPE: lewisjbrock
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