[macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
- From: "David Truong" <davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:48:25 +1000
HI Carlene,
With due respect, if your husband is a computer wiz then reinstalling xp
should be a snap. I assume he has sight even if he doesn't, he should
know about reinstalling xp via an unattended script. I am totally blind
and I reinstalled xp not that often as it hardly crashed for me but then I
look after my systems but anyway, the times I had to reinstall xp it was
just a matter of running an unattended script and she was as good as gold.
Just so I can at least mention macs, I had more crashes with my mac
machines than I ever did in Windows so go figure.
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-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of carlene knight
Sent: Saturday, 28 November 2009 6:27 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
At least if I do reinstall Snow Leopard, it won't be near as complicated.
I had Windows for nearly 10 years, and would never attempt to reinstall
XP, or whatever version of Windows I had. That was my husband's territory
and he would moan and groan about doing it, though he is a computer whiz.
It's nice that there is a way of reinstalling Snow Leopard without wiping
my drive clean first.
On Nov 27, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Laura wrote:
> I've only had the Mac for a couple months, but the thing I love most
about it is how robust it is. I mean, it's not that I've never had a
program freeze up or crash, and honestly, I doubt the technology system
exists that would give you that kind of performance. But when something
goes wrong on a Mac, in my experience, it's much better than Windows. One
application failure doesn't screw up the rest of the system; it doesn't
cause Voiceover to stop speaking. If a programme crashes, the dialogue
appears almost instantaneously asking if you'd like to restart the
application, and the whole thing is very painless.
>
> That said, I think Russell's right, and it really does depend what you
want it for. There are certain applications, like iTunes and VLC, where
accessibility is much, much better than on Windows, but my feeling right
now is that, for most things, VO offers really good accessibility in broad
terms, but when you start getting into the finer details or more complex
areas, JAWS (or maybe Window Eyes, but I never used that) is still probably
better. That's not a criticism really. Given how long Voiceover's been
around, compared with how long JAWS has, it's only logical that JAWS would
be further ahead, and I think Apple have done a really awesome job in the
time they've had. It's also worth noting that the improvements from Tiger
to Leopard were substantial, as were the ones from Leopard to Snow Leopard,
so I'm confident that Apple really are committed to providing the best
accessibility solution they can.
>
> On top of that, Voiceover seems to be gaining in popularity as a solution
for users with visual impairments, and I think the more that happens, the
more likely it is that blindness specific apps, like scanning programmes,
will become more widely available, and also that at least major developers
will work to build in accessibility. I'm no Microsoft fan, but I will be
surprised--at least a very little--if the next version of Office for the
Mac isn't more accessible, and Firefox, allegedly, will be in the not too
distant future.
>
> Which, um, is my very long way of saying that I don't regret buying the
Mac, that there are advantages that aren't actually accessibility related,
and that I think it has enormous potential, but that it's not perfect, and
it might not take care of all your accessibility needs right now.
>
> On 26 Nov 2009, at 20:44, Phil Stephenson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jumping in on this thread to say I've actually begun to have second
thoughts
>> myself about switching to a Mac in view of recent traffic about problems
>> with Mail, Safari etc. I know even Macs aren't perfect and I have a
number
>> of reasons for being unhappy with Windows however I have been watching
this
>> list for a good few weeks now and have been rather disconcerted by the
>> number of issues people seem to be having with VO and their Macs.
>>
>> As I say I was (an maybe still am) very close to switching and was in
fact
>> just looking up specs and prices yesterday and and planning on buying
>> post-Christmas however I have to say I am now having real second
>> thoughts....sad really as I've been toying with switching for over 3
years
>> now and I did think it was at a point where it made more sense than ever
but
>> for the additional outlay of buying a MAC I am hoping to get a robust
system
>> that doesn't crash like my Windows kit and where I can at least use the
>> standard mac apps such as Mail, Safari and Text Edit without any
problems
>> other than the learning curve I know I will have to face.
>>
>> So I'm rather confused and disillusioned, sorry folks but I'm telling it
how
>> I see it, I'm not saying Macs are bad and Windows machines are better
rather
>> that I don't think a Mac is as reliable or robust a solution as I
thought it
>> would be.
>>
>> Your comments appreciated,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of carlene knight
>> Sent: 26 November 2009 19:53
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] crashing programs
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I am really getting discouraged as my system is not acting as I always
heard
>> a Mac should. In fact it's getting to the point where I crash programs
on a
>> daily basis. Some people are having trouble with Safari but for me it's
the
>> other programs. Last night I crashed ITunes and Mail both at the same
time
>> in fact. It's intermittent. I think it might have something to do with
VO
>> and Snow leopard as my sighted husband who doesn't use VO has no
problems.
>> Has anybody else had trouble with programs crashing on a daily basis?
>> thanks.>
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