[macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs

Hello everyone,

For the most part shift down arrow has worked for me.  I would say about 80% of 
the time.  That being said their are certain sites I visit where this method of 
selecting text does not seem to work consistently.  I will refresh the page and 
this will fix the problem most of the time.   .
On Nov 28, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:

> Hey Keith,
> 
> With all due respect, even I can press shift down arrow, and trust me, as one 
> who attempts to copy quotes into an email message every morning, there are 
> many, many sites where this doesn't work.  And, there are many sites where VO 
> enter to turn on selection mode doesn't work either.  And, in my opinion, 
> copying an entire web page to text edit and then finding the text in text 
> edit and copying it again is a ludicrous way to have to do things.
> 
> I don't know why you seem so intent on not allowing folks to express opinions 
> that don't put the Mac in a positive light.  I always think that we put out 
> the truth about what's happening with our systems, and yes, perhaps sometimes 
> the problem may be the loose nut behind the keyboard, but, in this case, 
> Keith,, selecting text on a web page... really doesn't work that well in a 
> lot of instances.  You seem to be very lucky and don't have any problems at 
> all, but some of us do.
> 
> Russell
> On 2009-11-27, at 10:54 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
> 
>> Russell,
>> 
>> I am having no trouble in selecting text on a website.
>> 
>> Please, lets not confuse the things that thae MAC can't do with the things 
>> you can't do with the MAC.
>> 
>> Remember, you are still learning and so are we all.
>> 
>> Keith Reedy
>> On Nov 28, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Phil,
>>> 
>>> No worries!  You should have seen all the questions I sent to the list 
>>> before buying my Mac.  And everyone was great about it.  From what you say 
>>> you wish to do, I'm sure the Mac will be fine.  In a lot of ways it's fun 
>>> to use the Mac, but there are still a few annoyances, like selecting text 
>>> on a web page that hopefully will be worked out soon.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sorry I bought a Mac, but would not be able to get by without my 
>>> old Windows machine to do the things the Mac can't do yet.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Russell
>>> On 2009-11-27, at 2:17 PM, Phil Stephenson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Krysten and all who've replied on this thread,
>>>> 
>>>> I in no way was wanting to turn it into a mac versus Windows debate as I do
>>>> know they are different and do different things however the thing for me is
>>>> I don't want to have to run 2 systems.  I would still use windows at work 
>>>> as
>>>> I need this for using he many Office apps and other more specialist stuff
>>>> but at home I want to do email, surf the web, read and produce basic text
>>>> docs as well as manage music, write blogs and stay in touch with friends 
>>>> and
>>>> family via social networking sites and communication programs.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok I'll leave this topic alone now but my questions / concerns were honest
>>>> and coming from a genuine point of enquiry.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers all,
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kristyn Leigh
>>>> Sent: 27 November 2009 15:32
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>> 
>>>> I have been following this list for a couple months.  I have found links to
>>>> helpful resources and tips about various programs and VoiceOver commands.
>>>> The discussion about problems has not discouraged me from buying a Mac. I
>>>> have seen huge improvements in accessibility since Tiger. Of course I wish
>>>> Office was accessible on the Mac with VoiceOver, but I'm not going to let
>>>> that stop me from using a Mac for applications which are accessible.  I 
>>>> will
>>>> keep my Windows XP machine for programs that don't run on a Mac. I will
>>>> never pay for another screen reader SMA.
>>>> 
>>>> I am tired of the arguments about whether Mac is better than Windows. I 
>>>> have
>>>> accepted the fact that they are different, and I will try to use both for
>>>> the features I need.
>>>> 
>>>> Kristyn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Stephenson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:44 PM
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>> 
>>>>    Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Jumping in on this thread to say I've actually begun to have second 
>>>> thoughts
>>>> myself about switching to a Mac in view of recent traffic about problems
>>>> with Mail, Safari etc.  I know even Macs aren't perfect and I have a number
>>>> of reasons for being unhappy with Windows however I have been watching this
>>>> list for a good few weeks now and have been rather disconcerted by the
>>>> number of issues people seem to be having with VO and their Macs.
>>>> 
>>>> As I say I was (an maybe still am) very close to switching and was in fact
>>>> just looking up specs and prices yesterday and and planning on buying
>>>> post-Christmas however I have to say I am now having real second
>>>> thoughts....sad really as I've been toying with switching for over 3 years
>>>> now and I did think it was at a point where it made more sense than ever 
>>>> but
>>>> for the additional outlay of buying a MAC I am hoping to get a robust 
>>>> system
>>>> that doesn't crash like my Windows kit and where I can at least use the
>>>> standard mac apps such as Mail, Safari and Text Edit without any problems
>>>> other than the learning curve I know I will have to face.
>>>> 
>>>> So I'm rather confused and disillusioned, sorry folks but I'm telling it 
>>>> how
>>>> I see it, I'm not saying Macs are bad and Windows machines are better 
>>>> rather
>>>> that I don't think a Mac is as reliable or robust a solution as I thought 
>>>> it
>>>> would be.
>>>> 
>>>> Your comments appreciated,
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of carlene knight
>>>> Sent: 26 November 2009 19:53
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] crashing programs
>>>> 
>>>> Hi:
>>>> 
>>>> I am really getting discouraged as my system is not acting as I always 
>>>> heard
>>>> a Mac should.  In fact it's getting to the point where I crash programs on 
>>>> a
>>>> daily basis.  Some people are having trouble with Safari but for me it's 
>>>> the
>>>> other programs.  Last night I crashed ITunes and Mail both at the same time
>>>> in fact.  It's intermittent.  I think it might have something to do with VO
>>>> and Snow leopard as my sighted husband who doesn't use VO has no problems.
>>>> Has anybody else had trouble with programs crashing on a daily basis?
>>>> thanks.>
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