[macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
- From: Ricardo Walker <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:38:02 -0500
Hello everyone,
For the most part shift down arrow has worked for me. I would say about 80% of
the time. That being said their are certain sites I visit where this method of
selecting text does not seem to work consistently. I will refresh the page and
this will fix the problem most of the time. .
On Nov 28, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
> Hey Keith,
>
> With all due respect, even I can press shift down arrow, and trust me, as one
> who attempts to copy quotes into an email message every morning, there are
> many, many sites where this doesn't work. And, there are many sites where VO
> enter to turn on selection mode doesn't work either. And, in my opinion,
> copying an entire web page to text edit and then finding the text in text
> edit and copying it again is a ludicrous way to have to do things.
>
> I don't know why you seem so intent on not allowing folks to express opinions
> that don't put the Mac in a positive light. I always think that we put out
> the truth about what's happening with our systems, and yes, perhaps sometimes
> the problem may be the loose nut behind the keyboard, but, in this case,
> Keith,, selecting text on a web page... really doesn't work that well in a
> lot of instances. You seem to be very lucky and don't have any problems at
> all, but some of us do.
>
> Russell
> On 2009-11-27, at 10:54 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
>
>> Russell,
>>
>> I am having no trouble in selecting text on a website.
>>
>> Please, lets not confuse the things that thae MAC can't do with the things
>> you can't do with the MAC.
>>
>> Remember, you are still learning and so are we all.
>>
>> Keith Reedy
>> On Nov 28, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Phil,
>>>
>>> No worries! You should have seen all the questions I sent to the list
>>> before buying my Mac. And everyone was great about it. From what you say
>>> you wish to do, I'm sure the Mac will be fine. In a lot of ways it's fun
>>> to use the Mac, but there are still a few annoyances, like selecting text
>>> on a web page that hopefully will be worked out soon.
>>>
>>> I'm not sorry I bought a Mac, but would not be able to get by without my
>>> old Windows machine to do the things the Mac can't do yet.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Russell
>>> On 2009-11-27, at 2:17 PM, Phil Stephenson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Krysten and all who've replied on this thread,
>>>>
>>>> I in no way was wanting to turn it into a mac versus Windows debate as I do
>>>> know they are different and do different things however the thing for me is
>>>> I don't want to have to run 2 systems. I would still use windows at work
>>>> as
>>>> I need this for using he many Office apps and other more specialist stuff
>>>> but at home I want to do email, surf the web, read and produce basic text
>>>> docs as well as manage music, write blogs and stay in touch with friends
>>>> and
>>>> family via social networking sites and communication programs.
>>>>
>>>> Ok I'll leave this topic alone now but my questions / concerns were honest
>>>> and coming from a genuine point of enquiry.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers all,
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kristyn Leigh
>>>> Sent: 27 November 2009 15:32
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>>
>>>> I have been following this list for a couple months. I have found links to
>>>> helpful resources and tips about various programs and VoiceOver commands.
>>>> The discussion about problems has not discouraged me from buying a Mac. I
>>>> have seen huge improvements in accessibility since Tiger. Of course I wish
>>>> Office was accessible on the Mac with VoiceOver, but I'm not going to let
>>>> that stop me from using a Mac for applications which are accessible. I
>>>> will
>>>> keep my Windows XP machine for programs that don't run on a Mac. I will
>>>> never pay for another screen reader SMA.
>>>>
>>>> I am tired of the arguments about whether Mac is better than Windows. I
>>>> have
>>>> accepted the fact that they are different, and I will try to use both for
>>>> the features I need.
>>>>
>>>> Kristyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Stephenson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:44 PM
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: crashing programs
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Jumping in on this thread to say I've actually begun to have second
>>>> thoughts
>>>> myself about switching to a Mac in view of recent traffic about problems
>>>> with Mail, Safari etc. I know even Macs aren't perfect and I have a number
>>>> of reasons for being unhappy with Windows however I have been watching this
>>>> list for a good few weeks now and have been rather disconcerted by the
>>>> number of issues people seem to be having with VO and their Macs.
>>>>
>>>> As I say I was (an maybe still am) very close to switching and was in fact
>>>> just looking up specs and prices yesterday and and planning on buying
>>>> post-Christmas however I have to say I am now having real second
>>>> thoughts....sad really as I've been toying with switching for over 3 years
>>>> now and I did think it was at a point where it made more sense than ever
>>>> but
>>>> for the additional outlay of buying a MAC I am hoping to get a robust
>>>> system
>>>> that doesn't crash like my Windows kit and where I can at least use the
>>>> standard mac apps such as Mail, Safari and Text Edit without any problems
>>>> other than the learning curve I know I will have to face.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm rather confused and disillusioned, sorry folks but I'm telling it
>>>> how
>>>> I see it, I'm not saying Macs are bad and Windows machines are better
>>>> rather
>>>> that I don't think a Mac is as reliable or robust a solution as I thought
>>>> it
>>>> would be.
>>>>
>>>> Your comments appreciated,
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of carlene knight
>>>> Sent: 26 November 2009 19:53
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] crashing programs
>>>>
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> I am really getting discouraged as my system is not acting as I always
>>>> heard
>>>> a Mac should. In fact it's getting to the point where I crash programs on
>>>> a
>>>> daily basis. Some people are having trouble with Safari but for me it's
>>>> the
>>>> other programs. Last night I crashed ITunes and Mail both at the same time
>>>> in fact. It's intermittent. I think it might have something to do with VO
>>>> and Snow leopard as my sighted husband who doesn't use VO has no problems.
>>>> Has anybody else had trouble with programs crashing on a daily basis?
>>>> thanks.>
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