[macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:23:50 -0500
Hi all,
vo-shift-u is fine if you just want vo to spit the url at you but if you
want the url to be useful, you can copy it to the clipboard with
control-click of mouse or trackpad button and pick your poison from the
context menu.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Eickmeier" <va3ets@xxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
Yep theresure is, when you're on the link, hit VO shift U,and you'll
get the URL to the link. .
On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Marty Rimpau wrote:
> Hi all, is there a way to get the url for a link in safari? Often
> times, I had wanted to get the url for a link, and forgot the command
> for this, and thanks in advance.
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Keith Reedy wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I use dom mode. Group mode is fine for those who like it, I just
> never did get in to it. Give it a try.
>
> And as David said, the item chooser, VO-i and the link chooser, VO-u
> are a great help and visited link is a big help to me as well
>
> HTH.
>
> Keith Reedy
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
>> Hello Mac Gurus,
>>
>> Thanks for all of the suggestions on Mail yesterday. It seems to
>> have helped me sort out a lot of things and I'm working more
>> smoothly since. One errata from my messages yesterday, though, is
>> that I talked about the Thunderbird daily builds and my Mac. The
>> absolute truth is that I do run it on my Macintosh, the more useful
>> truth, however, though, is that I run it in a VM under Ubuntu with
>> Orca. My brain sometimes gets vapor lock when thinking about VO
>> versus Orca as I use them both on the Macintosh and, for all intents
>> and purposes, use both every day.
>>
>> Today, my question is about web browsing using VO. I have it set up
>> to use "Group" and find that I often need to exert an awful lot of
>> energy in terms of keystrokes and concentration when using a page
>> with which I'm not terribly familiar. Simply trying to find the
>> Apple TV product on the Apple web site and on Newegg.com took far
>> longer than it would have using JAWS, System Access or Orca. I find
>> the lingual and spatial semantic information provided by the VO
>> method of navigating applications to be about the best in the biz
>> and, as Dave P. can testify, I have been pounding tables about
>> increasing non-linear semantic information for many years now.
>>
>> On the web, though, I just can't seem to get it. As most web sites
>> are somewhat different from each other and many change daily, I find
>> that I spend a lot of time poking around trying to find objects that
>> may have fallen into some sort of corner in the model VO built of
>> the page. I also find sometimes that trying to move out of a spot
>> will only provide one direction (I may be on an item and can only
>> use VO+Up to get out as left right and down just play the sound
>> telling me I can't go there). Finally, I find that if I move into a
>> spot using VO+Right (for instance), VO+Left will bring me to a place
>> other than where I started which can be fairly confounding.
>>
>> Since I've started writing good things about Apple and VO in the
>> blog and elsewhere, I've received a lot of private email both
>> celebrating and condemning VO web support. Some tell me they use
>> Firefox with Chen's plug-in thing which I think makes for a nice
>> demo but cannot do the heavy lifting that a full time screen reader
>> must. The remainder of the pack either switches to Windows or a GNU/
>> Linux distribution to do their browsing or have found some sort of
>> mojo that seems to elude me regarding the VO/Safari combination.
>>
>> So, this isn't really a question as much as a "I just don't get it,"
>> sort of request for help. Is there a "VO Web Browsing for Dummies"
>> or some other similar document kicking around that I can use to
>> learn how to make the transition from the virtual buffer world to
>> the VO UI?
>>
>> One caveat: The object model, DOM based, turn the screen reader
>> into a browser and parse the HTML on its own was first introduced in
>> JAWS 3.31 and was invented by Glen Gordon, Eric Damery, Ted Henter
>> and me. Features like Quick Key navigation that came along later
>> were invented by some combination of Eric, Joe Stephen and me with
>> all of us contributing to each of these concepts. Thus, as I
>> invented a lot of this stuff, I have a fairly strong non-rational
>> attachment to it added to an ability to use it with very little
>> thought which, of course, makes it much faster for me to use.
>>
>> So, please send tips, tricks, documents, pointers and phone numbers
>> of cognitive therapists who specializing in the symptoms of having
>> JAWS on the brain.
>>
>> Happy Hacking,
>> cdh
>>
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