[macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
- From: "Marty Rimpau" <mrimpau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:42 -0800
Hi all, is there a way to get the url for a link in safari? Often
times, I had wanted to get the url for a link, and forgot the command
for this, and thanks in advance.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Keith Reedy wrote:
Hi Chris,
I use dom mode. Group mode is fine for those who like it, I just
never did get in to it. Give it a try.
And as David said, the item chooser, VO-i and the link chooser, VO-u
are a great help and visited link is a big help to me as well
HTH.
Keith Reedy
On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> Hello Mac Gurus,
>
> Thanks for all of the suggestions on Mail yesterday. It seems to
> have helped me sort out a lot of things and I'm working more
> smoothly since. One errata from my messages yesterday, though, is
> that I talked about the Thunderbird daily builds and my Mac. The
> absolute truth is that I do run it on my Macintosh, the more useful
> truth, however, though, is that I run it in a VM under Ubuntu with
> Orca. My brain sometimes gets vapor lock when thinking about VO
> versus Orca as I use them both on the Macintosh and, for all intents
> and purposes, use both every day.
>
> Today, my question is about web browsing using VO. I have it set up
> to use "Group" and find that I often need to exert an awful lot of
> energy in terms of keystrokes and concentration when using a page
> with which I'm not terribly familiar. Simply trying to find the
> Apple TV product on the Apple web site and on Newegg.com took far
> longer than it would have using JAWS, System Access or Orca. I find
> the lingual and spatial semantic information provided by the VO
> method of navigating applications to be about the best in the biz
> and, as Dave P. can testify, I have been pounding tables about
> increasing non-linear semantic information for many years now.
>
> On the web, though, I just can't seem to get it. As most web sites
> are somewhat different from each other and many change daily, I find
> that I spend a lot of time poking around trying to find objects that
> may have fallen into some sort of corner in the model VO built of
> the page. I also find sometimes that trying to move out of a spot
> will only provide one direction (I may be on an item and can only
> use VO+Up to get out as left right and down just play the sound
> telling me I can't go there). Finally, I find that if I move into a
> spot using VO+Right (for instance), VO+Left will bring me to a place
> other than where I started which can be fairly confounding.
>
> Since I've started writing good things about Apple and VO in the
> blog and elsewhere, I've received a lot of private email both
> celebrating and condemning VO web support. Some tell me they use
> Firefox with Chen's plug-in thing which I think makes for a nice
> demo but cannot do the heavy lifting that a full time screen reader
> must. The remainder of the pack either switches to Windows or a GNU/
> Linux distribution to do their browsing or have found some sort of
> mojo that seems to elude me regarding the VO/Safari combination.
>
> So, this isn't really a question as much as a "I just don't get it,"
> sort of request for help. Is there a "VO Web Browsing for Dummies"
> or some other similar document kicking around that I can use to
> learn how to make the transition from the virtual buffer world to
> the VO UI?
>
> One caveat: The object model, DOM based, turn the screen reader
> into a browser and parse the HTML on its own was first introduced in
> JAWS 3.31 and was invented by Glen Gordon, Eric Damery, Ted Henter
> and me. Features like Quick Key navigation that came along later
> were invented by some combination of Eric, Joe Stephen and me with
> all of us contributing to each of these concepts. Thus, as I
> invented a lot of this stuff, I have a fairly strong non-rational
> attachment to it added to an ability to use it with very little
> thought which, of course, makes it much faster for me to use.
>
> So, please send tips, tricks, documents, pointers and phone numbers
> of cognitive therapists who specializing in the symptoms of having
> JAWS on the brain.
>
> Happy Hacking,
> cdh
>
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