are there other keys I can use here? when I right click, there are a number of options. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Schmude" <j.schmude@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web Actually, even easier. Press vo-shift-u to hear it, then vo-shift-c to copy the last phrase to the clipboard. There's the URL. On Dec 12, 2008, at 07:23, David Poehlman wrote: > Hi all, > > vo-shift-u is fine if you just want vo to spit the url at you but if > you > want the url to be useful, you can copy it to the clipboard with > control-click of mouse or trackpad button and pick your poison from > the > context menu. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Eickmeier" <va3ets@xxxxxxxx> > To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:23 PM > Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web > > > Yep theresure is, when you're on the link, hit VO shift U,and you'll > get the URL to the link. . > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Marty Rimpau wrote: > >> Hi all, is there a way to get the url for a link in safari? Often >> times, I had wanted to get the url for a link, and forgot the command >> for this, and thanks in advance. >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Keith Reedy wrote: >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> I use dom mode. Group mode is fine for those who like it, I just >> never did get in to it. Give it a try. >> >> And as David said, the item chooser, VO-i and the link chooser, VO-u >> are a great help and visited link is a big help to me as well >> >> HTH. >> >> Keith Reedy >> >> >> On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >>> Hello Mac Gurus, >>> >>> Thanks for all of the suggestions on Mail yesterday. It seems to >>> have helped me sort out a lot of things and I'm working more >>> smoothly since. One errata from my messages yesterday, though, is >>> that I talked about the Thunderbird daily builds and my Mac. The >>> absolute truth is that I do run it on my Macintosh, the more useful >>> truth, however, though, is that I run it in a VM under Ubuntu with >>> Orca. My brain sometimes gets vapor lock when thinking about VO >>> versus Orca as I use them both on the Macintosh and, for all intents >>> and purposes, use both every day. >>> >>> Today, my question is about web browsing using VO. I have it set up >>> to use "Group" and find that I often need to exert an awful lot of >>> energy in terms of keystrokes and concentration when using a page >>> with which I'm not terribly familiar. Simply trying to find the >>> Apple TV product on the Apple web site and on Newegg.com took far >>> longer than it would have using JAWS, System Access or Orca. I find >>> the lingual and spatial semantic information provided by the VO >>> method of navigating applications to be about the best in the biz >>> and, as Dave P. can testify, I have been pounding tables about >>> increasing non-linear semantic information for many years now. >>> >>> On the web, though, I just can't seem to get it. As most web sites >>> are somewhat different from each other and many change daily, I find >>> that I spend a lot of time poking around trying to find objects that >>> may have fallen into some sort of corner in the model VO built of >>> the page. I also find sometimes that trying to move out of a spot >>> will only provide one direction (I may be on an item and can only >>> use VO+Up to get out as left right and down just play the sound >>> telling me I can't go there). Finally, I find that if I move into a >>> spot using VO+Right (for instance), VO+Left will bring me to a place >>> other than where I started which can be fairly confounding. >>> >>> Since I've started writing good things about Apple and VO in the >>> blog and elsewhere, I've received a lot of private email both >>> celebrating and condemning VO web support. Some tell me they use >>> Firefox with Chen's plug-in thing which I think makes for a nice >>> demo but cannot do the heavy lifting that a full time screen reader >>> must. The remainder of the pack either switches to Windows or a >>> GNU/ >>> Linux distribution to do their browsing or have found some sort of >>> mojo that seems to elude me regarding the VO/Safari combination. >>> >>> So, this isn't really a question as much as a "I just don't get it," >>> sort of request for help. Is there a "VO Web Browsing for Dummies" >>> or some other similar document kicking around that I can use to >>> learn how to make the transition from the virtual buffer world to >>> the VO UI? >>> >>> One caveat: The object model, DOM based, turn the screen reader >>> into a browser and parse the HTML on its own was first introduced in >>> JAWS 3.31 and was invented by Glen Gordon, Eric Damery, Ted Henter >>> and me. Features like Quick Key navigation that came along later >>> were invented by some combination of Eric, Joe Stephen and me with >>> all of us contributing to each of these concepts. Thus, as I >>> invented a lot of this stuff, I have a fairly strong non-rational >>> attachment to it added to an ability to use it with very little >>> thought which, of course, makes it much faster for me to use. >>> >>> So, please send tips, tricks, documents, pointers and phone numbers >>> of cognitive therapists who specializing in the symptoms of having >>> JAWS on the brain. >>> >>> Happy Hacking, >>> cdh >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>>> below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the >>>> Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>> below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >> >> Marty >> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>> below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >> below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >> below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >