[macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:35:28 -0500
are there other keys I can use here? when I right click, there are a number
of options.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Schmude" <j.schmude@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:28 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
Actually, even easier. Press vo-shift-u to hear it, then vo-shift-c to
copy the last phrase to the clipboard. There's the URL.
On Dec 12, 2008, at 07:23, David Poehlman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> vo-shift-u is fine if you just want vo to spit the url at you but if
> you
> want the url to be useful, you can copy it to the clipboard with
> control-click of mouse or trackpad button and pick your poison from
> the
> context menu.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Eickmeier" <va3ets@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:23 PM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Newbie Questions Day 2: Safari and the Web
>
>
> Yep theresure is, when you're on the link, hit VO shift U,and you'll
> get the URL to the link. .
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Marty Rimpau wrote:
>
>> Hi all, is there a way to get the url for a link in safari? Often
>> times, I had wanted to get the url for a link, and forgot the command
>> for this, and thanks in advance.
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Keith Reedy wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I use dom mode. Group mode is fine for those who like it, I just
>> never did get in to it. Give it a try.
>>
>> And as David said, the item chooser, VO-i and the link chooser, VO-u
>> are a great help and visited link is a big help to me as well
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Keith Reedy
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mac Gurus,
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of the suggestions on Mail yesterday. It seems to
>>> have helped me sort out a lot of things and I'm working more
>>> smoothly since. One errata from my messages yesterday, though, is
>>> that I talked about the Thunderbird daily builds and my Mac. The
>>> absolute truth is that I do run it on my Macintosh, the more useful
>>> truth, however, though, is that I run it in a VM under Ubuntu with
>>> Orca. My brain sometimes gets vapor lock when thinking about VO
>>> versus Orca as I use them both on the Macintosh and, for all intents
>>> and purposes, use both every day.
>>>
>>> Today, my question is about web browsing using VO. I have it set up
>>> to use "Group" and find that I often need to exert an awful lot of
>>> energy in terms of keystrokes and concentration when using a page
>>> with which I'm not terribly familiar. Simply trying to find the
>>> Apple TV product on the Apple web site and on Newegg.com took far
>>> longer than it would have using JAWS, System Access or Orca. I find
>>> the lingual and spatial semantic information provided by the VO
>>> method of navigating applications to be about the best in the biz
>>> and, as Dave P. can testify, I have been pounding tables about
>>> increasing non-linear semantic information for many years now.
>>>
>>> On the web, though, I just can't seem to get it. As most web sites
>>> are somewhat different from each other and many change daily, I find
>>> that I spend a lot of time poking around trying to find objects that
>>> may have fallen into some sort of corner in the model VO built of
>>> the page. I also find sometimes that trying to move out of a spot
>>> will only provide one direction (I may be on an item and can only
>>> use VO+Up to get out as left right and down just play the sound
>>> telling me I can't go there). Finally, I find that if I move into a
>>> spot using VO+Right (for instance), VO+Left will bring me to a place
>>> other than where I started which can be fairly confounding.
>>>
>>> Since I've started writing good things about Apple and VO in the
>>> blog and elsewhere, I've received a lot of private email both
>>> celebrating and condemning VO web support. Some tell me they use
>>> Firefox with Chen's plug-in thing which I think makes for a nice
>>> demo but cannot do the heavy lifting that a full time screen reader
>>> must. The remainder of the pack either switches to Windows or a
>>> GNU/
>>> Linux distribution to do their browsing or have found some sort of
>>> mojo that seems to elude me regarding the VO/Safari combination.
>>>
>>> So, this isn't really a question as much as a "I just don't get it,"
>>> sort of request for help. Is there a "VO Web Browsing for Dummies"
>>> or some other similar document kicking around that I can use to
>>> learn how to make the transition from the virtual buffer world to
>>> the VO UI?
>>>
>>> One caveat: The object model, DOM based, turn the screen reader
>>> into a browser and parse the HTML on its own was first introduced in
>>> JAWS 3.31 and was invented by Glen Gordon, Eric Damery, Ted Henter
>>> and me. Features like Quick Key navigation that came along later
>>> were invented by some combination of Eric, Joe Stephen and me with
>>> all of us contributing to each of these concepts. Thus, as I
>>> invented a lot of this stuff, I have a fairly strong non-rational
>>> attachment to it added to an ability to use it with very little
>>> thought which, of course, makes it much faster for me to use.
>>>
>>> So, please send tips, tricks, documents, pointers and phone numbers
>>> of cognitive therapists who specializing in the symptoms of having
>>> JAWS on the brain.
>>>
>>> Happy Hacking,
>>> cdh
>>>
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