[lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:27:44 -0600
Seriously? (No offense, but it almost reads like a Steven Wright line...).
Did you ever arrive home in the dreams?
Julie Krueger
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I had the same dream for 30 years, involving getting lost and looking
> for home. When I finally started to remember them and realize how long I
> had it, I stopped being home
> sick.
>
> Veronica
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:32 AM
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
>
> I love your description, Ursula -- much more articulate than the fumbles
> I've been able to put together so far. One is, indeed, reminded of Plato's
> Cave. This one is also reminded of Calderon de la Barca's * La Vida Es
> Sueno* -- when I first stumbled on it as a teenager, something immediately
> resonated with me ... "yes! that's how it feels!" (I'll trade you a few
> hyphens for some extra parentheses...I also seem to have more ellipses than
> I really need.)
>
> I'm still waiting for someone to talk about situational recurrent dreams --
> those in which different events take place, but the environment is familiar
> and the story goes like life does -- each of the dreams, sometimes days,
> sometimes weeks apart, picks up in plot where the last left off.
>
> And what about dreams that the next day or the next actually happen, which
> one would never have predicted or expected in waking life?
>
> Julie Krueger
> Getting ready for tonight's -30 degree wind chill (it won't really be that
> cold; it will really be a balmy -3).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Isn't there some research recently that suggests that our waking life
>> (and, I suppose, our dream life) is really the back story to what is
>> happening in the physical world. Apparently we begin the movement of our
>> arms, for instance, even before we think to move our arms. We are not
>> pushing events. Events are pulling us.
>> Similar to the myoclonic jerk response, notice how swiftly and expertly we
>> can incorporate a doorbell or telephone ring into our dreams. It never
>> comes out of nowhere. It always fits neatly into the plot. Creating
>> backstories, we are, for things which we could not have seen coming.
>> Something there is that watches....
>>
>> It suggests that our whole lives are a dream in which we experience free
>> will and make things happen. Long custom helps to keep that illusion
>> alive. One is reminded of Plato's theory that madmen and poets know some
>> truth about that and, so, can't live in this world as happily as the rest of
>> us. Plato says we all get to peek behind the curtain between our lives but
>> that most of us (happily, I suppose) have the memory of what we saw there
>> wiped clean in the (re)birth process. Ursula, finding more punctuation to
>> fling around....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Yost wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That means there's a Dreamer persona, your character in the dream. Above
>>> that, is the dreaming body which is aware of an impending myclonic jerk
>>> *and* writes it into the script of the dream.
>>>
>>> Holistic self is aware of impending myclonic jerk. Somehow, the Dreamer
>>> gets a dream-script in which the (physical) myclonic jerk takes place. The
>>> (physical) jerk of the legs "fits in" to the (representational) ongoing
>>> dream, and had to have been "set up" some moments previous to it.
>>>
>>> That means another persona or more comprehensive self than the dreamer is
>>> aware of impending events and prepares the dreamer for it. Jeez, I just
>>> thought it was my unconscious!
>>>
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