[lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:24 -0600
I find intriguing:
a) Those in which I SEEM to be having a long protracted dream in which,
e.g., a noise such as an alarm or a doorbell has been ringing forever. I
wake up to find the alarm just went off, or some such. I've never quite
known how to reconcile the perspectives of the conscious and unconscious in
those;
b) Those in which I am buried in a dream within a dream -- in my dream, I
am dreaming, and in my dream I awake. Talk about disconcerting upon "real"
walking...
I do have a question of fellow-dreamers -- does everyone have dreams from
time to time which are sort of "chronic" dreams -- not that the events are
the same, but that in these recurring dreams one finds one's self in the
same town, or in a familiar geographical location, or in an on-going set of
circumstances which, while w/in the dream one can remember their
experiential history in that town or what have you, and be picking up where
the last memory of it left off? I don't know if I'm saying that clearly
.... where you dream about a particular set of buildings, people, landmarks,
you (in your dream) remember what happened "yesterday" and continued to
dream the next segment or series of experiences and the next time you dream,
you pick up where you left off in that same town w/ the same names of
streets, same layout, same people, etc?
Julie Krueger
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I've certainly had my ration of myoclonic leg jerks that have awakened me,
> but I don't remember any accompanying dreams. Then again, I'm not very good
> at remembering dreams anymore. However, I do remember dreams in which I was
> aware that I was dreaming -- and, if I remember correctly, it served to
> defuse tension in the dream. That seems somewhat along the lines of Eric's
> Dream Overseer.
>
> When I was a kid and on up into my twenties, I used to dream I could fly --
> mostly just by willing it. Wow, do I remember those dreams! They were
> incredible. Unimaginably (you would think) realistic. I can only guess
> that my source of flying perspective came from movies. It was so real that
> I would wake up giddy, knowing that I could fly. In some dreams I would
> have to press my arms against either side of a doorway as hard as I could
> and that, somehow, would allow me to overcome gravity. I haven't tried that
> in a waking state -- I'd hate to be disappointed. [Now that I think of it,
> didn't we as kids press our arms like that and then drop them by our sides
> -- didn't they rise up as a reflex? Maybe that explains that.] In some
> dreams I'd have to concentrate on flying -- I mean like totally --
> otherwise I'd start falling. I never hit the ground, but there were some
> close calls. I'm telling you, dream-flying's not as easy as it looks.
>
> I once had a dream where God appeared to me. No message, no dire prophesy,
> or new religion -- just dropped in to say hello, but he didn't actually say
> anything. Cecil B DeMille got God right -- an extremely bright, slowly
> pulsating circle of white light. Holy Jehosephat! That was something else
> again. I remember mostly an intensity of joy. My soul was magnified. I
> was still a believer then. It was an amazing dream. I wish I could have it
> again. Without chemicals, I mean.
>
> Now I only dream of problems. I can't remember any of the details, just
> that there was a pressing, vexing problem that I had damn well better fix or
> else. If perchance we dream in death as Hamlet feared, I hope it's of
> flying, not problem solving.
>
> Mike Geary
> Memphis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Yost" <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:39 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
>
>
>
> John asks
>>
>> > Does anyone here have philosophical dreams?
>>
>>
>> Mine is about the myclonic jerk.
>>
>> You ever have one of those dreams in which you are falling from a wall or
>> slipping from a ladder, only to have a myclonic jerk of your legs partially
>> awaken you? The dreaming pedaling of the legs is translated into a physical
>> peddling of the legs by the myclonic jerk, and it causes partial awakening.
>> Many people have them.
>>
>> That means there's a Dreamer persona, your character in the dream. Above
>> that, is the dreaming body which is aware of an impending myclonic jerk
>> *and* writes it into the script of the dream.
>>
>> Holistic self is aware of impending myclonic jerk. Somehow, the Dreamer
>> gets a dream-script in which the (physical) myclonic jerk takes place. The
>> (physical) jerk of the legs "fits in" to the (representational) ongoing
>> dream, and had to have been "set up" some moments previous to it.
>>
>> That means another persona or more comprehensive self than the dreamer is
>> aware of impending events and prepares the dreamer for it. Jeez, I just
>> thought it was my unconscious!
>>
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