[lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:10:03 -0600
A comedian, known for his deadpan delivery and unusual perspectives .. think
Gary Larson.
Julie Krueger
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The rest of the story is that I arrived at a dead end and had to decide
> whether to turn right or left. I can't remember which way I turned, but in
> the dream I concluded that it was the right way and felt better. Then
> after a while, I stopped dreaming that altogether.
>
> Who is Steven Wright?
>
> Veronica Caley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:27 PM
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
>
> Seriously? (No offense, but it almost reads like a Steven Wright
> line...). Did you ever arrive home in the dreams?
>
> Julie Krueger
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I had the same dream for 30 years, involving getting lost and looking
>> for home. When I finally started to remember them and realize how long I
>> had it, I stopped being home
>> sick.
>>
>> Veronica
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:32 AM
>> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
>>
>> I love your description, Ursula -- much more articulate than the fumbles
>> I've been able to put together so far. One is, indeed, reminded of Plato's
>> Cave. This one is also reminded of Calderon de la Barca's * La Vida Es
>> Sueno* -- when I first stumbled on it as a teenager, something
>> immediately resonated with me ... "yes! that's how it feels!" (I'll trade
>> you a few hyphens for some extra parentheses...I also seem to have more
>> ellipses than I really need.)
>>
>> I'm still waiting for someone to talk about situational recurrent dreams
>> -- those in which different events take place, but the environment is
>> familiar and the story goes like life does -- each of the dreams, sometimes
>> days, sometimes weeks apart, picks up in plot where the last left off.
>>
>> And what about dreams that the next day or the next actually happen, which
>> one would never have predicted or expected in waking life?
>>
>> Julie Krueger
>> Getting ready for tonight's -30 degree wind chill (it won't really be that
>> cold; it will really be a balmy -3).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't there some research recently that suggests that our waking life
>>> (and, I suppose, our dream life) is really the back story to what is
>>> happening in the physical world. Apparently we begin the movement of our
>>> arms, for instance, even before we think to move our arms. We are not
>>> pushing events. Events are pulling us.
>>> Similar to the myoclonic jerk response, notice how swiftly and expertly
>>> we can incorporate a doorbell or telephone ring into our dreams. It never
>>> comes out of nowhere. It always fits neatly into the plot. Creating
>>> backstories, we are, for things which we could not have seen coming.
>>> Something there is that watches....
>>>
>>> It suggests that our whole lives are a dream in which we experience free
>>> will and make things happen. Long custom helps to keep that illusion
>>> alive. One is reminded of Plato's theory that madmen and poets know some
>>> truth about that and, so, can't live in this world as happily as the rest of
>>> us. Plato says we all get to peek behind the curtain between our lives but
>>> that most of us (happily, I suppose) have the memory of what we saw there
>>> wiped clean in the (re)birth process. Ursula, finding more punctuation to
>>> fling around....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Yost wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That means there's a Dreamer persona, your character in the dream. Above
>>>> that, is the dreaming body which is aware of an impending myclonic jerk
>>>> *and* writes it into the script of the dream.
>>>>
>>>> Holistic self is aware of impending myclonic jerk. Somehow, the Dreamer
>>>> gets a dream-script in which the (physical) myclonic jerk takes place. The
>>>> (physical) jerk of the legs "fits in" to the (representational) ongoing
>>>> dream, and had to have been "set up" some moments previous to it.
>>>>
>>>> That means another persona or more comprehensive self than the dreamer
>>>> is aware of impending events and prepares the dreamer for it. Jeez, I just
>>>> thought it was my unconscious!
>>>>
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