You write "I agree. But" . . . but, but, but, but I did address your "but": "If Guiliani or McCain were to be the nominee this time, many on the Religious Right wouldn't want to vote for them, but I can't see them voting for Clinton or Obama either. They might either not vote or vote very reluctantly for Guiliani or McCain." But admittedly not quite your emphasis. In the past there was, especially amongst Dispensationalists such a strong belief, a peculiar belief, in the separation of Church and state, that they chose, many of them to separate themselves from the voting booth. My opinion is that belief has been almost entirely abandoned. If they stay away it will be because there is no one they can in good conscious vote for, not because they are abandoning their new-found belief in voting. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McCreery Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:08 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Religious Right Isn't What It Used to Be On 10/29/07, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: This was indeed an interesting article, John. However, I don't think the "Religious Right" was ever what it used to be. There was indeed a climate of opinion amongst Dispensationalists and Evangelicals that chose to focus on Abortion, Gay Rights and Creationism at the expense of the Gospel. There was no "religious right movement" per se, but there was broad agreement that these were issues worth fighting over and many seemed to want to talk of nothing else. There is no denying that religion, like politics, has always been a big tent, with lots of room for all sorts of different acts. There is also no denying that during the 80s and 90s the folks whose focus was opposition to abortion, gay rights and evolution forged a powerful political block that became a vital constituency for the Republican Party. Now as to the impact on the upcoming political election, which seems to be the concern of Kirkpatrick, I doubt that the conclusion (or better, the "suggestion") can be drawn that the former "Religious Right" will move toward the "left." I agree. But I don't think that this is the central concern of political analysts. Historically, evangelicals have oscillated between inward-turning disengagement from politics and outward-turning political involvement. The inward turn typically follows a period of religious enthusiasm. Add elections that in recent years have turned on razor-thin majorities or Supreme Court decisions, and the likelihood that even a small percentage of those who came out strongly for Republicans in recent elections may stay home or support a third-party candidate has to be a Republican strategist's biggest nightmare. On the opposite coast from you, in my home state of Virginia, two successive Democratic Governors (Warner and Kaine), a new Democratic Senator (Jim Webb) and a strong possibility that he will acquire a Democratic colleague when Mark Warner runs for the Senate next year shows the effects that even small shifts in the demographics of voting can have on what had been seen since Nixon as a solidly red state. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 http://www.wordworks.jp/ <http://www.wordworks.jp/>