Here is a comment from my friend in Iraq regarding whether Iraq is having a Civil War: "The media announced civil war in Iraq about 6 months ago (roughly). They are probably gun shy about doing so again unless it actually happens. "Most Iraqis still see themselves as Iraqis; not as Sunni or Shiia. There are many people here with some level of pan-shiia or pan-arab, or pan-whatever inclinations, but most Iraqis see themselves as descendants of the Babylonians, etc, Mesopotamians, descendants of Ur, etc. A distinct nation with a distinct culture and history. Many Kurds do not agree, but it seems that many (or even most) do agree. "There is a definite power play at work, with the goal being control of Iraq; or increased power within Iraq. The fall of Saddam left a huge power vacuum, which the US had no intention of filling (sorry, left wing theorists). The problem is that the current government is not doing a great job of filling the power vacuum. As different strong leaders emerge and claw their way upwards, the new power structure will emerge and things will settle down. "Iran wants to take over southern Iraq, but it's not clear that they will be able to incite enough support to swing it. Many think this is more a distraction from their bomb making plans." Lawrence _____ From: Lawrence Helm [mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:05 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [lit-ideas] Re: Sustaining our Resolve Okay, I wondered what you were referring to. According to Vali Nasr, who is a leading specialist on Political Islam http://www.cfr.org/publication/9709/vali_nasr_leading_specialist_on_politica l_islam_joins_council_as_adjunct_senior_fellow.html What we are seeing is this: Initially the Sunnis who had been running Iraq under Saddam engaged in an insurgency in order to regain power. They had been in power and they thought that if they killed enough Shias they could get it back. The Shias are now killing Sunnis to show "that's never going to happen." He doesn't think they are having a civil war. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jimkandjulieb@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:26 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sustaining our Resolve Over a 100 Iraqis killed a day sounds like civil war to me. But whaddo I know. Julie Krueger .