I had written: "Reason becomes preoccupied with its contorted paths and fails to step back and realize that it aims for peaceful social relations." to which Walter Okshevsky replied: "How it is that reason is to be teleologically defined in this particular manner needs justification. But that notwithstanding, my religious friend claims that no peaceful social relations are possible with individuals who deny one's right to religious expression. The entire state and society suffers (in this life and the after-life) if Harry Potter is permitted in the schools (sorry, wrong debate.) Indeed, it is a properly construed understanding of "peaceful social relations" that legitimates the killing of individuals who fail to recognize the ortho doxa and live by it in word and deed." A condition for the proper exercise of reason is freedom. This freedom is not the freedom to believe whatever one likes but rather the freedom to make the case for one's beliefs before all people. One can, of course, appeal to like-minded folks, Kant's 'private use of reason', but this appeal can only have force for those like-minded folks. To take this local appeal as having general force is to abuse reason and limit freedom. It is an abuse of reason in that it uses arguments intended for like-minded folks as public arguments. It limits freedom insofar as it constrains the range of acceptable public beliefs to those held by a particular group. Where one has a use of reason that constrains freedom, the constraint of freedom serves as evidence that reason has jumped the rails. In short, one can evaluate an argument regarding freedom of religion by stepping back from its convoluted paths and asking whether it does violence to the ability people have to make the case for their religious beliefs. Where there is such violence, there is necessarily a lack of freedom. As Walter notes, many people have put forward arguments claiming that peace is achieved by enforcing ortho doxa. These arguments fail in numerous ways, but for my purposes it should be pointed out that reason is formal in nature and therefore does not provide us with the beliefs we ought to hold. Where reason is employed among like-minded people, Kant's 'private use of reason', there will develop ortho doxa. However, in the public sphere, where differences in goals and attitudes allow for a minimal degree of consensus, no such ortho doxa is possible. (To defend this claim, I would draw on Davidson's article on applying conceptual schema to the world.) Since reason does not provide ortho doxa within the public sphere, and any attempt to restrict people's ability to make the case for their religious beliefs is an act of violence and constraint of freedom, killing individuals who fail to recognize the ortho doxa of a particular group is both irrational and a rejection of freedom of religion. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html