But I have mentioned that Mike's America is something new. It wasn't there at the beginning. Those who respect the beginning are now called Conservatives. Those who honor our roots are the original Liberal-Democrats. Marxism came along later and gave rise to a new way of thinking. Strict Marxism was taken up in the USSR. A modified form called the Welfare State was taken up in Europe Mike's America is either Russian or European, I can't tell which. Also, the moral equivalence assertion that you voice is obviously anti-American. It is so by definition. Marxist radicalism is not America. It is not an America that is passing away because it has never been America. Without doubt we have had and still have a vocal Leftist presence in America, but it is only America in the sense that we allow it free speech. It isn't America. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ursula Stange Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:16 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Iran (2), First Front Mike is not abusing America. He's standing up for a vision of America about to disappear. The rhetoric of fear and annihilation and domination sounds exactly the same in Iranian and American mouths. You're trashing my world and my children's children's world. A pox on both your houses. Ursula Lawrence Helm wrote: (to Mike) > I hope America wins so you won't be subjected to a tyranny which will > take away your right to abuse America.. > > Lawrence > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html