http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3149454.stm is about Indian hospitals and health tourism the Indian doctors who come here tend to be really rather smart but not so much so as British doctors of Indian origin, perhaps. EY>In general, the Indian doctors coming to the US are not very good, you don't test them? the ones who come here have to pass a test and also pay for training here. BTW some may be heading to the US as a new EU rule (or perhaps the enforcement of an old one) means that they can't be hired in preference to an EU national. That they may be better qualified and speak better English makes no difference. And scandalously, the rule applies to doctors already here, who've passed the initial test, and paid for training, in the hope and perhaps expectation of getting a job here. The BMA has protested about this. (I am reliably informed that it is not that easy for Indian doctors to advance to the rank of consultant anyway.) EY>and tend to be arrogant some Indian doctors are more arrogant towards patients than British doctors -- a cultural thing, I imagine -- some aren't but are a bit aloof/withdrawn, expecting, I assume from the way they are when they relax, racism. But certainly as a rule they aren't as matey as British doctors. British doctors of Indian origin are the same as British doctors of non-Indian origin, like your second-generation Indian doctors. Judy Evans, Cardiff ----- Original Message ----- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: India and doctors This is so confusing to me. It directly contradicts a newsmag TV piece I saw a couple months ago which spent an hour exploring the hospitals in India and comparing them to ours. According to this piece, the care, techniques, survival rates, success rates, etc., were significantly higher and cost was unbelievably lower -- they gave an example of a guy w/ a heart condition needing surgery which would have cost something like $60,000 here and he went to a hospital in India and it cost something like $5,000 (my figures are very rough as it was several weeks ago and I don't trust my memory, but the discrepancy was at least that of those figures). They also highlighted the extraordinary cleanliness and comfort ("cozy") aspect of the hospitals. I think I need to google and see if I can find the piece I saw on-line -- it was on one of the broadcast channels -- Dateline or 60 Minutes or something similar. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: India and doctors Date: 5/31/06 12:25:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent on: In the NYC hospital where my friend works, the Indian doctors tried to set up their caste systems in the hospital. Low caste Indian doctors would get extra work shoveled on them by their higher-caste coworkers. In general, the Indian doctors coming to the US are not very good, have no people skills, and tend to be arrogant and practice poor hygiene. You have to imagine the scene where 300 pound Bronx or Harlem guys complain about the smelly and rude resident physicians and the administration has routinely to issue memos about the importance of wearing clean lab coats. By their third-year here, most of the Indian physicians have realized they can't push lower-caste physicians and women around, they wash more, their English improves, and they understand more. Second-generation American physicians of Indian ancestry have none of these qualities, needless to say. Ah, the melting pot. Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 22/05/2006