In "Form in literature" Eric Yost writes -- in the course of the dialogue with M. Chase on the balancing form/content in literature and art: To render form and content as x and y is to posit discrete entities that can be separated, or exist separately and can be combined, as is the case with oil and vinegar in salad dressing. ---- Problem with 'form' is that it is one of the most elusive concepts in aesthetics (and theory of literature). Consider Hosper's passage below where he considers how a piece of reasoning can be vitiated by the arguer _equivocating_ on the 'sense' of "form". Of course, being a monoguist (at heart), I don't think (as Hospers) does, that 'form' has different _senses_; 'uses' at most -- and it's up to each discourser to make it more or less explicit which one she means... I think the philosophical distinction here is Aristotelian, hylomorphistic (hylemorphistic), and the _dogma_ (shall we say) that there is a thing as matter and a different thing as _form_. The Platonic amongst us would oppose that... Cheers, JL Hospers writes: "Consider, for example, the term 'form'. people say, "I don't care about the form, I only care about what it says," "if the subject-matter of a poem is not what makes it a good poem, it must be the form," and so on. But the term 'form' is an elusive one. Sometimes by 'form' we mean shape: we say tht two pennies have the same form although they have different 'matter'. Sometimes we mean a species or class: thus, we speak of two compositions as both being of the sonata _form_. Sometimes we have reference to a mode of arrangement of things as opposed to the things that are so arranged: thus, three rhyming lines of poetry could be put in the orders AB, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, or CBA, though the lines thus ordered are the same in each case. Sometimes we refer to the 'how' as opposed to the 'what': we take the underlying idea or theme of a work of art to be the content (the what), and the way in which it is expressed by the artist (the how) is called the form. Here is an example of how confusions can arise: a person is convinced that it is not the theme which an artist selects for treatment, but rather how he treats this theme, that determines the merit of a work of art: the how and not the what, the form and not the matter. He then feels himself committed to the view that only the form (in _another_ *sense* of the word, though he is unaware of this) of a work of art is important (primarily the arragement of its lines and colors) and that the other elements such as we have called the 'associative' are of no relevance at all. This conclusion, of course, is unwarranted: the mood the artist has created in his painting are just as much to do with his treatment of the theme as does the formal arrangement of its elements. But, through confusion in the *viciously ambiguous term 'form'*, he may not know this.", John Hospers, 'Problems of art', in _Philosophical Analysis_, p. 121 OED quotes for hylomorphism: 1881 Dublin Rev. Ser. III. V. 236 He..establishes the hylomorphical system held by St. Thomas. 1888 J MARTINEAU Study Relig. I. II. i. 324 No hylomorphic doctrine can raise its head against the decree of Kant. Ibid. 337 To mark the differentia of these three theories we may call them respectively Anthropomorphism, Biomorphism, and Hylomorphism. 1897 Month Sept. 332 The scholastic doctrine of hylomorphism. 1888 J. MARTINEAU Study Relig. II. III. i. 142 â??Matterâ??, construed by the hylomorphists, declares itself competent to all. 1895 F. HALL Two Trifles 27 Solidiform spirits, whether hylomorphous or otherwise, are an object of rational curiosity. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html