I don't know, does anyone think a couple of Nigerian Airways reps know as much about Nigeria as Irene? I have no doubt but that what the reps told me was accurate. There was no point in their lying to me. But we had this discussion during the time of the delivery of the last DC-10. When was that? Perhaps around 1984 -1985. Are guns still illegal to have? Absolutely: http://www.worldpress.org/cover7.htm The Nigerian Laws are just the sort that would set Mike drooling. Do Nigerians have guns despite the laws. Again, absolutely. Smugglers smuggle guns the same way they did booze during prohibition and drugs now. If we institute Mike's laws gun smuggling will be big business. Is the situation radically different from what my Nigerian friend described. I don't think so. Witness from the article: "Many Nigerians, particularly if they are wealthy, keep guns in their homes in case they are attacked by armed robbers in the middle of the night." That was my friend's situation - despite Irene's high-horse-sneer. Lawrence From: Lawrence Helm [mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:15 PM To: 'lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [lit-ideas] Re: Guns and the older woman, continued I got my information from two Nigerians who live there - the Nigerian reps I interfaced with during the delivery of Nigerian Airways last DC-10. Where do you get your information? From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:01 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Guns and the older woman, continued Lawrence, where do you get your information? Guns may or may not be allowed in Nigeria, but the country is an armed camp. Nigeria is another instance of lots of young men with nothing to do, all armed to the teeth with the very latest weapon technology. The big thing in Nigeria is kidnapping oil workers for ransom. Boy, if you think they're using spears and knives, are you behind the times. No more Abbott and Costello and the dancing natives. Spears and knives are what's not allowed in Nigeria. They're laughed out of the country. Nigeria is very high tech. Seems your Nigerian Airways friend didn't have a problem getting a gun in any case. As far as the old woman the cops killed, are you saying it's a good thing they killed her? Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Reminds me of Nigeria. My friend the Nigerian Airways Rep said that guns aren't allowed there and the punishment is severe if one is caught with a gun; so small gangs of teenagers and young men can pretty much rob whomever they like. They have a few spears, some knives, and every once in a while one will have a gun, but it may or may not work. The thing is, no family or person can readily prevent these small gangs from robbing a person or a house. Civilians are at their mercy. My friend wanted to buy a gun while he was here. He was willing to risk the penalty rather than give into one of these gangs -- of course this is the real world and not your mythical paradise where everyone loves everyone else . . . in fact, pardon the intrusion. Go on with your fantasy. _____ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-> cars at Yahoo! Autos.