The question is whether there is an idea already existing but in need of expression or an idea whose existence depends on its being expressed. The latter may sound strange; but if you have worked, as I have, in a creative business, watching ideas take shape as copywriters come up with words and art directors visualize them, it makes a lot of sense. John On 10/15/07, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This doesn't look like such an enormous dichotomy to me. Why must it be an > "either/or" scenario? A dialogue, conversation, between the idea and the > linguistic, where each informs the other? > > Julie Krueger > > > On 10/14/07, John McCreery <john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Pondering the conversation about what goes on before we speak, I note > > that two possibilities are in play. > > > > 1. Classical--We possess ideas of which we are partly or wholly > > unaware until they are spoken. Cf. Plato, Leibniz (rebutting Locke), > > Chomsky, Freud. > > > > 2. Modern--Ideas only emerge as we speak them. What goes on inside us > > is a confluence of pre-linguistic processes that crystallize at the > > moment we speak. Cf. Vico, Minsky,Klein a good deal of current > > research in such fields as psychology and political science that > > indicates that processes conventionally described as "emotional" > > proceed those described as "rational," which turn out, more often than > > not, to be after the fact rationalizations of decisions already made. > > > > John > > > > -- > > John McCreery > > The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN > > Tel. +81-45-314-9324 > > http://www.wordworks.jp/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > > > -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 http://www.wordworks.jp/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html