In a message dated 8/23/2004 12:06:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: As a matter of fact, I've just started reading _Beyond Belief_ by Elaine Pagels. Interesting book. I just finished her _Gnostic Gospels_. She's a very readable historian of religion. Having accepted the fact that Christianity is probably not going to go away anytime soon, I've decided to try to reach some accomodation with it, you know, find out where it came from, what it wants, and how it evolved into the thing it is today. I find Pagels very enlightening. Has anyone else read her? ---- A connection can be made here with the topic of inconceivability. It was that Father of the Church who said (in Latin) It is absurd; therefore, I believe it. (He was referring to either Jesus's resurrection or to the Immaculate Conception (or both). On another accounts of his dictum, it comes out as: I believe in it, and I believe in it (if you ask me) _because_ [Latin *quia*] it's absurd. But I prefer the former wording since the grammar (and logic) of 'quia' is tricky (hardly conditional). Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html