[lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you delighted you no longer have a Hitler problem?
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:29:03 +0100
> How do we disagree? This is the basis of my claim that the
> Soviets had control of Iran before the US/UK.
I'd have said there was joint control though if you take the
whole period from say 1907, Britain had joint or sole
control. I can't see any sign at all that Imperial Russia (or
later,
the USSR) had total control before Britain and the USSR had joint
control then Britain took control.
So, we are agreed that the USSR had control of part of Iraq as
part of an agreement with Britain (and the US).
Fast forward to 1946. The USSR initially refused to withdraw
its troops from northern Persia (because the US wanted oil
rights, I think; sorry, I haven't had time to check all this
again).
Fast forward to 1953, and Operation Ajax, and the overthrow
of Mossadegh (see my previous posts). The strongest statement
I can find that supports a notion of Soviet control is that
Mossadegh's nationalizing the oil industry
"resulted in Western allegations that Mossadegh was a
Communist and suspicions that Iran was in danger of
falling under the influences of the neighboring Soviet Union."
that suspicion (fomented in the US by the British, who wanted the
oil) certainly could be related to the facts that a) Persia/Iran
was in the Soviet Union's "neighbourhood" and b) from 1941 to
1946, the Soviet Union had, together with Britain, occupied
Persia/Iran as part of their fight against the Axis.
> Operation Ajax did not occur in a vacuum.
they don't. But the Soviet Union was not in control of Persia/
Iran
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Yost" <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you delighted you no longer have
a Hitler problem?
> Eric: During the war, Stalin would NEVER venture outside
> areas of Soviet Control.
>
> Judy replied (in part)
>
> > >and Persia had been occupied by Britain and the US,
> acting as Allied Powers, as a preventative measure against
> Reza Shah's possible (probable?) support of the Axis,
> therefore, we can see Persia and in particular northern
> Persia as within the USSR's sphere of influence and under
> its control.
>
> __________
>
> How do we disagree? This is the basis of my claim that the
> Soviets had control of Iran before the US/UK. The areas that
> the USSR controlled include the north--where Tehran is--and
> the attempted breakaway republics. The struggle over Iran
> was the beginning of the Cold War to contain communism.
>
> Operation Ajax did not occur in a vacuum. Iran wasn't some
> uncontested territory that the CIA out of the blue decided
> to meddle with and disrupt. That was my point in mentioning
> the prior Soviet influence and control.
>
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