Re: mouse over links
- From: "John Miller" <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:26:26 -0400
Lists are actually good for a few message boards I go to now and then, I
still haven't found use for element attributes yet though so they can't be
this big problem you make it out to be, I'm on the web a lot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: mouse over links
> This is sort of a good strategy, but part of using the web is that
> depending
> on whether you *ever* go to a page you have never been to before, you
> might
> need some but not all things that jaws has to offer or you may find that
> in
> the vast majority of cases, a certain setting combination optimizes your
> use
> of jaws, but you should never set yourself to have functionable
> information
> taken away since you may need it and if you've suppressed it, you will not
> even know that you need it in the case of on mouse over anyway. The
> element
> attribute is a subtle beast and I was delighted to see that jaws began
> offering a way to get at that information and interact with it because it
> brings us just that much closer to being able to use the web in the real
> world. Clickable and on mouse over unfortunately are just two of the
> handler types that jaws announces and provides direct navigation for and
> there are a whole host of them on the web like on mouse out, on key press,
> on click which is usually accomplishable with space or enter. I actually
> found a link that I cannot use space on although the use of space for
> links
> was introduced into a recent version of jaws. Enter works fine for that
> link though.
>
> Here are some safe things you can do to reduce chatter on the web.
>
> Turn off heading announcement. You still have quick access to any headers
> that are on the page.
>
> Turn off block quotations, frames, tables and lists because they do not
> provide any information you cannot directly access on a page. There are
> probably some other things you can turn off, but attribute indication is
> different in that without it, there is no way to know that there is an
> element attribute that can be interacted with by jaws.
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathleen A. Millhoff" <kmilhoff@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:06 AM
> Subject: RE: mouse over links
>
>
> Well, I have to say it was this list that reminded me the feature was
> available in version 5.1.
> Until I read that I thought I had just been oblivious to it until now.
> And, if you can go to AFB's website, you could get practice; I mean,
> that's
> kind of what I do - find a webpage I already know from previous use, then
> practice the things these guys on the list suggest in order to see which
> way
> I prefer to have the settings.
> kat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Steve Gomes
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:06 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: mouse over links
>
>
> I wonder if there is a way to leave this attribute off so we can just hear
> link instead of "on mouse over link. Too bad there wasn't a way that we
> could know when to turn it on. I still don't understand this idea of mouse
> over. I wish there was a web page where I could practice it and get an
> idea
> of what it is for. I have gotten to on mouse over links and hit control on
> it and it will say the page did not change. So I never got a page or place
> where it said on mouse over and the page had a change.
>
>
> finnygomes@xxxxxxx
>
> home page
> www.rellek.com/stevegomes
> phone 720-747-4niner niner0
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:46 PM
> Subject: RE: mouse over links
>
>
>> Hmm, I tried following these instructions trying to get it to play a
>> sound but, it keeps on saying mouseover instead. Oh well.
>>
>>
>> Rose Combs
>> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Bruce Toews
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:40 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: mouse over links
>>
>>
>> Or, if you want to respond to the question as it was intended instead of
>>
>> sticking your nose in the air and marveling at how much better you are
>> than the rest of us, the following excerpt from the FS knowledge base
>> addresses the issue.
>> This deals with turning off the feature in JFW 5.1, but the article
>> also
>> explains how to do it in JFW 5.0.
>>
>> How do I change the setting for speaking OnMouseOver information in
>> JAWS?
>>
>> Answer:
>>
>> HTML allows the author of a page to set an OnMouseOver attribute for
>> most
>> HTML elements that runs specified code, such as JavaScript or Visual
>> Basic
>> Script,
>> when a visitor moves the mouse pointer over the HTML element. Often this
>>
>> is used to momentarily display text, graphics, or links.
>>
>> Beginning with the release of Version 5.1 or later, this option is set
>> by
>> default so that no OnMouseOver information is spoken. To change this
>> setting,
>> you need to go to the HTML page in the Speech and Sounds Manager and
>> select the appropriate radio button.
>>
>> 1. Press INSERT+F2, select Configuration Manager, and press ENTER. 2.
>> Press ALT+S to open the Set Options menu and press M to choose Speech
>> and Sounds Manager.
>> 3. Press ALT+E to activate the Edit Current Scheme button.
>> 4. Press CTRL+SHIFT+TAB until you move to the HTML tab.
>> 5. In the List View, use the arrow keys to select OnMouseOver. 6. Press
>> TAB once to move to the selection of radio buttons. 7. Use the UP or
>> DOWN ARROW to select either Speak HTML Attribute, Play
>> Sound or Ignore.
>> 8. Press TAB until you move to the OK button, then press SPACEBAR. 9.
>> Press ALT+F4 to close the Configuration Manager. Press SPACEBAR on the
>> Yes button when JAWS asks if you want to save your current settings. --
>> Bruce Toews
>> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
>> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net
>> For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, david poehlman wrote:
>>
>> > I might also add that my answer to the question was the correct one
>> > and quite litterally, this has nothing to do with jaws. Now, for
>> > another path, if you want to go through the trouble, you can make
>> > mouse over links disappear all together and other element attributes
>> > disappear in two ways. You can use a text only user agent that does
>> > not support java script or you can go through the headache of setting
>> > up your security settings not to accept java script. The problem with
>>
>> > these two approaches though is that you will find that some sites winn
>>
>> > not be usable. One more note on this is that if you use an
>> > alternative user agent such as mozilla: http://www.mozilla.org or
>> > netscape or opera: http://www.operasoftware.com
>> > http://www.netscape.com
>> > you will not hear mouse over links because jaws does not recognize
>> them in
>> > in any other user agent.
>> >
>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: mouse over links
>> >
>> >
>> > yes, but it was exaustively discussed a few days ago.
>> >
>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bruce Toews" <coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:51 AM
>> > Subject: Re: mouse over links
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, but you know what was meant by the question.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
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