Re: mouse over links
- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:21:51 -0400
This is sort of a good strategy, but part of using the web is that depending
on whether you *ever* go to a page you have never been to before, you might
need some but not all things that jaws has to offer or you may find that in
the vast majority of cases, a certain setting combination optimizes your use
of jaws, but you should never set yourself to have functionable information
taken away since you may need it and if you've suppressed it, you will not
even know that you need it in the case of on mouse over anyway. The element
attribute is a subtle beast and I was delighted to see that jaws began
offering a way to get at that information and interact with it because it
brings us just that much closer to being able to use the web in the real
world. Clickable and on mouse over unfortunately are just two of the
handler types that jaws announces and provides direct navigation for and
there are a whole host of them on the web like on mouse out, on key press,
on click which is usually accomplishable with space or enter. I actually
found a link that I cannot use space on although the use of space for links
was introduced into a recent version of jaws. Enter works fine for that
link though.
Here are some safe things you can do to reduce chatter on the web.
Turn off heading announcement. You still have quick access to any headers
that are on the page.
Turn off block quotations, frames, tables and lists because they do not
provide any information you cannot directly access on a page. There are
probably some other things you can turn off, but attribute indication is
different in that without it, there is no way to know that there is an
element attribute that can be interacted with by jaws.
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathleen A. Millhoff" <kmilhoff@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: RE: mouse over links
Well, I have to say it was this list that reminded me the feature was
available in version 5.1.
Until I read that I thought I had just been oblivious to it until now.
And, if you can go to AFB's website, you could get practice; I mean, that's
kind of what I do - find a webpage I already know from previous use, then
practice the things these guys on the list suggest in order to see which way
I prefer to have the settings.
kat
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Steve Gomes
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:06 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: mouse over links
I wonder if there is a way to leave this attribute off so we can just hear
link instead of "on mouse over link. Too bad there wasn't a way that we
could know when to turn it on. I still don't understand this idea of mouse
over. I wish there was a web page where I could practice it and get an idea
of what it is for. I have gotten to on mouse over links and hit control on
it and it will say the page did not change. So I never got a page or place
where it said on mouse over and the page had a change.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: mouse over links
> Hmm, I tried following these instructions trying to get it to play a
> sound but, it keeps on saying mouseover instead. Oh well.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:40 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: mouse over links
>
>
> Or, if you want to respond to the question as it was intended instead of
>
> sticking your nose in the air and marveling at how much better you are
> than the rest of us, the following excerpt from the FS knowledge base
> addresses the issue.
> This deals with turning off the feature in JFW 5.1, but the article
> also
> explains how to do it in JFW 5.0.
>
> How do I change the setting for speaking OnMouseOver information in
> JAWS?
>
> Answer:
>
> HTML allows the author of a page to set an OnMouseOver attribute for
> most
> HTML elements that runs specified code, such as JavaScript or Visual
> Basic
> Script,
> when a visitor moves the mouse pointer over the HTML element. Often this
>
> is used to momentarily display text, graphics, or links.
>
> Beginning with the release of Version 5.1 or later, this option is set
> by
> default so that no OnMouseOver information is spoken. To change this
> setting,
> you need to go to the HTML page in the Speech and Sounds Manager and
> select the appropriate radio button.
>
> 1. Press INSERT+F2, select Configuration Manager, and press ENTER. 2.
> Press ALT+S to open the Set Options menu and press M to choose Speech
> and Sounds Manager.
> 3. Press ALT+E to activate the Edit Current Scheme button.
> 4. Press CTRL+SHIFT+TAB until you move to the HTML tab.
> 5. In the List View, use the arrow keys to select OnMouseOver. 6. Press
> TAB once to move to the selection of radio buttons. 7. Use the UP or
> DOWN ARROW to select either Speak HTML Attribute, Play
> Sound or Ignore.
> 8. Press TAB until you move to the OK button, then press SPACEBAR. 9.
> Press ALT+F4 to close the Configuration Manager. Press SPACEBAR on the
> Yes button when JAWS asks if you want to save your current settings. --
> Bruce Toews
> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net
> For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, david poehlman wrote:
>
> > I might also add that my answer to the question was the correct one
> > and quite litterally, this has nothing to do with jaws. Now, for
> > another path, if you want to go through the trouble, you can make
> > mouse over links disappear all together and other element attributes
> > disappear in two ways. You can use a text only user agent that does
> > not support java script or you can go through the headache of setting
> > up your security settings not to accept java script. The problem with
>
> > these two approaches though is that you will find that some sites winn
>
> > not be usable. One more note on this is that if you use an
> > alternative user agent such as mozilla: http://www.mozilla.org or
> > netscape or opera: http://www.operasoftware.com
> > http://www.netscape.com
> > you will not hear mouse over links because jaws does not recognize
> them in
> > in any other user agent.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: mouse over links
> >
> >
> > yes, but it was exaustively discussed a few days ago.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Toews" <coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: mouse over links
> >
> >
> > Yes, but you know what was meant by the question.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
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