Chris, Thanks for your response. 1. Why are you insistent that I uninstall Windows Defender? If it isn't conflicting with anything, why bother, on the off chance that it may be doing something useful even though I never see an interface and don't know how to inspect it or use it manually? Also, does anyone know how to bring Windows Defender onto your screen so you can see the program interface? There's no Desktop icon, and it's not in the system tray. Must I look for it in the Start menu? 2. Why uninstall Spyware Blaster? If you reread my message, I didn't say it's never got an update available. I said it seldom does. I just thought if you happeneed to know why, that would be interesting. I didn't say I'm sure it's defunct. And it's been operative and, I have to presume, useful for me for quite a long time. I don't see any reason to just chuck it. And again, what danger does it possibly pose to me if I leave it installed? I'm not sure there's such a big deal about wear and tear, though of course you're entitled to feel that way. 3. this is worth noting carefully: Please recall that I never said I had installed Super Anti Spyware. I said I was *thinking* of installing it. Regardless, you say that the reason AVG 8 is showing no spyware caught must be because Super is catching it all. I'll quote you so that you can see what I'm referring to. This makes me wonder about your general enthusiasm for uninstalling everything except for Super Anti Spyware if you install it 4. Last, I've heard from someone that the free edition of Super Anti Spyware performed in such a way that it prevented them from getting away from it while it's scanning. They say its interface remained on the screen and it wouldn't let them alt tab into another open application or go to the Desktop. Is this your experience? Is there a paid edition? Is it necessary to get the paid edition if you don't want such a thing to happen when you run it? Okay, I'll quote what you said about how AVG isn't catching spyware because Super Anti Spyware has gotten everything, a sure indication that I should hold it in high regard. Even though it isn't on my system: you wrote: This sounds to me that AVG 8 can't pick up anything as Super Antispyware already caught them and therefore removed them. This is just placing unnecessary wear and tear on your computer as you're just scanning for things that were caught and removed already. thanks again. -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx