RE: One or two spaces
- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:56:33 -0400
I did not know that either. I'd like to get together with you two guys
off list. I've been doing this for nearly 25 years, and more or less
following the same conventions I learned as a kid in typing class, but
I'm never too old to learn, and, if it bears my name, I want it to be
good.
Ted
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:47 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: One or two spaces
Richard,
Given that I for one cannot hope to "see" the effect that adding an
extra space would cause, I'd rather trust the Word Processor to handle
the spacing for me. And since so much of what is now published in print
form is generated electronically by similar word processing adjustments,
I'd have a strong level of confidence that my documents are going to
look professional.
The real culprit for me is, as always the amount of white space between
paragraphs. I've had real problems with that in the past. Now I know how
to solve it. Again if I simply trust the word processor and the default
paragraph style templates, the blank space is already inserted and
calculated, so adding an extra line break is no longer necessary. It's
just a bit disquieting when I review the document, hearing all those
paragraphs seemingly glued together.
Dave
Created in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
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From: Richard P. Kelly <mailto:rpkelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 15:30
Subject: RE: One or two spaces
Adrian,
With all due respect. I do understand the visual of double
spaced vs. mono spacing and mono spaced typeset vs. proportional spaced
typeset. Prior to loss of usable vision, I was doing desktop publishing
camera ready layouts with the PC, soft fonts and a laser printer.
Having said that, knowing what auto spacing your word processor
applies following insertion of punctuation is important and
understanding the effect justification, left, center, right, or full,
will also impact the amount of spacing.
If pressing the spacebar once following insertion of the
punctuation mark is going to automatically apply the appropriate spacing
whether a period, semi colon, full colon etcetera, then use the single
space. If it is not automatically applying the correct spacing, use the
double spacebar where appropriate. Bottom line, we need to be aware of
how are documents print if we wish to impart the desired visual impact.
Cordially,
Richard P. Kelly
rpkelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.new-visions-network.com
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:33 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: One or two spaces
Hi, John. Just to save anyone a duplication of effort, this
Wikipedia link is to the same article as the one given to us by G.W.
Cox.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of john R. Vaughn
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 4:57 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: One or two spaces
Adrian and list, interesting issue of whether to single or
double space after the terminal punctuation for a sentence and the
beginning of the next sentence. Believe it or not, the link below is
from wicipedia on the matter and I found this from doing a google
search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing#History
As for me, always a double space bar between sentences, I am
going to try the one space bar and and have sighted folks tell me if the
MS Word program does infact do some sort of variable spacing to clearly
indicate the end of one sentence and another.
John
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:04 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: please help
Hi, Richard.
You couch your argument in terms of blind computer users making
sure their work looks as polished as our sighted colleagues. I agree
with this concept, but you do it a disservice by flatly asserting that
double spaces meet that objective. I was persuaded to switch to single
spaces while using word processors by several sighted people who
observed too much space at the ends of my sentences and by a man who has
published the two standard texts on typesetting and typeset conventions.
There may be special circumstances, such as the tab issue
brought up by Ted Lisle, but the Wikipedia entry to which G.W. Cox sent
a link lays out the history and current general preference.
This is one of those questions that is very hard for us to grasp
because the impact is purely visual. Unsupported, strongly worded
assertions don't help.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Richard P. Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:14 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: please help
Greetings all,
Proper formatting of a print document still calls for two spaces
at the end of a sentence, after a colon, and perhaps elsewhere. This
remains true even with mono spaced or proportionally spaced fonts. New
word processors often assure proper style is used if auto correct and
grammar checking is on. Still, we want what we print to look as polished
as what our sighted colleagues produce; if not better!
Cordially, Richard P. Kelly rpkelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.new-visions-network.com
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:50 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: please help
Now that's interesting. I Have seen one space from time to time,
but never knew why. I sometimes long for the days of Pica and Elite,
when laying out a document. In the immortal words of Edith Bunker, "You
knew where you were then." However, I've managed to figure out which
font-size combinations are functional equivalents of the old Pica,
10-space-per-horozontal-inch, format, and that's what I use. Vertical
spacing will have to look after itself.
Ted
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:37 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: please help
I preface this suggestion by acknowledging there's a debate
about whether there should be one or two spaces after the end of a
sentence. Despite my pre-computer typing training, I have been convinced
that modern print fonts mean that two spaces are no longer desirable. So
the way I solve the problem you describe is to search for two spaces and
replace with one space. If you think there might be an odd number of
spaces, say three, then search for that number first and replace with a
single space. Then search for all instances of a double space and
replace with that single space.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Hina
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:24 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: please help
hi,
i am writing a lots of reports and i did figure out formatting
issues, but i am not sure how will i know if there are extra spaces
between words, sentenses and paragraphs without reading word by word
which is so time consuming? for sighted people, microsoft word
highlights but is there any way to know with jaws? microsoft's spell
checke option says that there is extra space and suppose to change it to
make corrections, but they still remain and is there a way to deal with
this issue with jaws?
i would be very thankful for your help.
hina.
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