Re: KillJaws

I'm running JAWS 7 and I can't find it either. I would find it very helpful as about 20 percent of the time JAWS hangs up when I exit Internet Explorer and I can't even reboot my computer. Any help would be appreciated. Gene


----- Original Message ----- From: "golden" <golden789@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: KillJaws


hi

do we have kill jaws in jaws 7.0?
i can't find it in jaws folder.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: KillJaws



My guess is that Insert + Win + F4 is supposed to be used once you respond to the error message, which may require sighted assistance. This keystroke combination creates a dump file that the geniuses at FS can analyze so that they have an excuse to release another new version of JAWS to fix the problem they probably created in the first place.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: KillJaws


Let me refresh your memory on this, meaning no offense by the expression. First of all, the distinction I was referring to by mentioning XP Home was
what we found out only yesterday, which is that the executable file
recommended by someone as opposed to the kill jaws .bat file is an option only with XP Pro. We found this out when I followed someone's directions and went looking for that file under a designated Windows subfolder only to find it missing on my XP Home computer. That was what I was referring to in that
regard.

Which takes that approach out of the mix, bringing at least me back to the
batch file that originally caught my notice. Which, if I recall, you're
supposed to put anywhere you like and then create an icon for it using the Send command, and then create a hotkey for that icon that will run the file
when you need it.

Okay. So now we're back to talking about only the batch file, which I'm
guessing is all you're talking about in the first place when you say "kill
Jaws." Correct?

The other thing is that if Insert Windows key F4 doesn't avail for exiting Jaws in one of these situations where Jaws has fallen silent and there's an error message dialogue you must respond to and need Jaws to interact with, so you have to exit Jaws in order to restart it, then what's the official
purpose of this enhanced version of the standard Insert F4 Jaws exit
command? What's that Windows key doing in there? When is a person supposed
to use that instead of just insert F4?

Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: KillJaws



I can't speak for XP home because I have XP Pro.  I simply followed the
instructions originally posted by Pat WPL. I have found that Insert + Win + F4 does not always work in JAWS 8.0. The problem is that once you execute
Insert + Win + F4 and an error message blocks JAWS from closing, you're
pretty much stuck.  At least with Kill Jaws, I can close JAWS first and
respond to the error message later.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: KillJaws


I see. So this is all about being able to access an error dialogue having
to
do with one or another application besides Jaws itself. What do you mean
by
saying that Kill Jaws creates an icon on the desktop? In all of this,what
I
thought I learned is that first you create a batch file (which is the only
option if you're an XP Home person, as I am). Then you yourself create
from
that new file a desktop icon for which you curate a hotkey.

The critical part here is that the kill jaws batch file doesn't itself
create a desktop icon, right? You have to do that as part of setting this
up
for yourself? Thanks.

And again, if there's an emergency key combo offered by Jaws itself,
Insert
Windows key F4, that will properly unload Jaws even when in a situation
where Insert F4 alone won't work, why would you need this Kill Jaws setup
at
all? Not clear about that, yet. Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: KillJaws



Kill Jaws creates an icon on the desktop.  You can then access the
Properties page and assign a shortcut key, something like Alt + Control +
K
or whatever. Once you close JAWS, you can restart it using your hot key
or
Run dialog.  Once JAWS is running  again, you can respond to the send
Error
Report message.  If you encounter a system crash, you may still have to
restart your computer.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: KillJaws


Gerald,

thanks. I'm not sure how often I've been in this exact situation, if
ever,
but after you and Robert have explained what kind of situation merits the use of this batch command, I'll try to recognize that kind of situation,
and
I'll have created a way to run the command.

Why do you call it a desktop shortcut? If you mean an icon, that I can
understand,though if I were without benefit of speech I'd hope to use a
unique first letter for the name of the icon so I could activate it.

And if what's meant is actually a hotkey, possibly established in the
properties for such a shortcut icon, you wouldn't need to be at the
desktop
to use it. So do you mean the icon, or do you mean a hotkey?

Also, in a crash that includes losing speech, what are you supposed to do once you've executed this batch file? Restart your computer, if an actual system crash is what's happened? Or just restart Jaws? And, not trying to
be
snarkey, but are the people discussing this able to tell whether it's
only
Jaws that's failed or if their computer needs rebooting or just one
application is shutting down and asking you to send an error message? I
can't read those dialogues if speech goes out, but I can tell whether
it's
just a program that's died on me or the computer's actually hung.

thanks. Just trying to figure out exactly what kind of situation this is
meant for.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: KillJaws



Kill Jaws is a desktop shortcut that invokes the XP system utility
"taskkill" to forcibly close JAWS after a crash that results in loss of speech. Many times when JAWS crashes, an error message is displayed on
screen which blocks JAWS from  closing with the normal Insert + F4
command.
Kill Jaws eliminates this problem by closing Jaws without having to
respond
to the error message. To create the shortcut, use the following target
address:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskkill.exe /f /im jfw.exe

Hope this helps.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: KillJaws


Gerald,

I must have missed something. What is Kill Jaws?

thanks.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: KillJaws



I just had a JAWS crash, and Kill Jaws worked like a charm. Very handy
when
sighted assistance is not available.

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: 
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to 
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the 
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the 
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Other related posts: