Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - Email found in subject
- From: "Ball, Dan" <DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:04:04 -0500
Nope, it wasn't lost (here at least)...
Actually, your article spurred an avenue of investigation that I hadn't
thought of before, and I found some discrepancies in my DNS servers that
I have since resolved.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:51 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - Email found
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Hey Thor,
Thanks for the back up!
Hey everyone on this thread, I hope the message in my blog post isn't
being lost. It wasn't about SMTP, NDR, DNR :) or spam whacking, it was
about how to troubleshoot an Internet performance issue.
Specifically, it was meant to communicate a thought process involving
asking questions, coming up with answers, and coming up with more
questions based on the answers. I thought it was a good exercise to put
"on paper" because I don't see this type of classical problem solving
approach used a lot, and thought maybe that's because there isn't a
whole lot written in that style.
Just don't want the baby thown out with the bathwater :))
Thanks!
Tom
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:47 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation -
> Email found in subject
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Dude- you're splitting hairs now... I dig the secure update
> deal, but come
> on... We can do it how we want to... If you need to send
> NDR's like Dan Ball
> does, then go right ahead. If folks don't like it, then let
> them handle the
> mail for him. If you want to accept all mail with a
> catch-all, then do
> that. IIS does it standing still. I do that in combination with my
> SpamArrest account. John T doesn't like it, nor does Jim,
> but until someone
> wants to host my mail for free, then that's just the way it is.
>
> There is no *right* way... RFC is great, but in the real
> world we do what we
> need to do to suit our needs. But I'll be damned if I'll sit
> back and let
> some shit-kicker bust on Dr. S after all of his hard work in
> this forum
> 'cause he thinks his tin foil hat is wrapped tight on his head.
>
> t
>
> -----
> "I may disapprove of what you say,
> but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Mulholland" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:14 AM
> Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation -
> Email found in
> subject
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Your still wasting bandwidth on accepting mail you don't want. Real
> gateways that allow secure dynamic or even if they are static lists
> which update the local recipients file at the gateway are the way to
> go..and by secure im not talking about ldap queries so much, thee are
> other ways. Postfix does it standing on its head. I havent seen IIS
> compete with it yet.
>
>
> Greg Mulholland
> Just because I don't care, doesn't mean i dont understand - Homer
> Simpson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:00 PM
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> Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - Email found
> in subject
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> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
>
> >OK, so you DO NOT send NDRs, yet with your IIS platform you *cannot*
> >turn off NDRs. Lets get this straight, you have turned off NDRs on a
> >platform that you *cannot* turn off NDRs. Cool.
>
> Did someone here piss you off or something? It may just be me, but
> you're coming off like a real prick...
>
> I don't mean that in a mean way, but man, chill out a bit...
>
> Regarding IIS SMTP, you can most certainly "turn off" NDR's by simply
> setting up a "Catch All" email address that accepts all mail for
> recipients that don't exist.
>
> Done. End of Story. No LDAP sync, nothing. No BADMAIL,
> nothing. Just
> schedule the deletion of the mailbox dir.
>
> You can also have the receiving server dirt-nap DNS. No NDR's. Done.
>
> Any more questions?
>
> t
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