Hey Thor, Thanks for the back up! Hey everyone on this thread, I hope the message in my blog post isn't being lost. It wasn't about SMTP, NDR, DNR :) or spam whacking, it was about how to troubleshoot an Internet performance issue. Specifically, it was meant to communicate a thought process involving asking questions, coming up with answers, and coming up with more questions based on the answers. I thought it was a good exercise to put "on paper" because I don't see this type of classical problem solving approach used a lot, and thought maybe that's because there isn't a whole lot written in that style. Just don't want the baby thown out with the bathwater :)) Thanks! Tom Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?** > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:47 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - > Email found in subject > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Dude- you're splitting hairs now... I dig the secure update > deal, but come > on... We can do it how we want to... If you need to send > NDR's like Dan Ball > does, then go right ahead. If folks don't like it, then let > them handle the > mail for him. If you want to accept all mail with a > catch-all, then do > that. IIS does it standing still. I do that in combination with my > SpamArrest account. John T doesn't like it, nor does Jim, > but until someone > wants to host my mail for free, then that's just the way it is. > > There is no *right* way... RFC is great, but in the real > world we do what we > need to do to suit our needs. But I'll be damned if I'll sit > back and let > some shit-kicker bust on Dr. S after all of his hard work in > this forum > 'cause he thinks his tin foil hat is wrapped tight on his head. > > t > > ----- > "I may disapprove of what you say, > but I will defend to the death your > right to say it." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Mulholland" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:14 AM > Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - > Email found in > subject > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Your still wasting bandwidth on accepting mail you don't want. Real > gateways that allow secure dynamic or even if they are static lists > which update the local recipients file at the gateway are the way to > go..and by secure im not talking about ldap queries so much, thee are > other ways. Postfix does it standing on its head. I havent seen IIS > compete with it yet. > > > Greg Mulholland > Just because I don't care, doesn't mean i dont understand - Homer > Simpson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:00 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: How I spent my Christmas vacation - Email found > in subject > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > >OK, so you DO NOT send NDRs, yet with your IIS platform you *cannot* > >turn off NDRs. Lets get this straight, you have turned off NDRs on a > >platform that you *cannot* turn off NDRs. Cool. > > Did someone here piss you off or something? It may just be me, but > you're coming off like a real prick... > > I don't mean that in a mean way, but man, chill out a bit... > > Regarding IIS SMTP, you can most certainly "turn off" NDR's by simply > setting up a "Catch All" email address that accepts all mail for > recipients that don't exist. > > Done. End of Story. No LDAP sync, nothing. No BADMAIL, > nothing. Just > schedule the deletion of the mailbox dir. > > You can also have the receiving server dirt-nap DNS. No NDR's. 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