Hi,
Patents are evil in the sense that they block further innovations that extend
the basic idea without the creator's consent. However they also protect the
creator's ownership. So I would say they are a necessary evil :) We cann't
untangle ourselves from it completely.
regards,
Hassan
balachandar muruganantham <mbchandar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: hi
On 8/20/06, Hassan wrote:
Hi,
I know about Ubuntu. But it is even close to windows - and by the looks of
it, it will lag far behind when Vista is released. So either Ubuntu needs to
take chaks prescription to be the desktop competitor for MS - but again the
cost factor will rear its ugly head.... nothing we can do about that...
after all patent protects innovations & the rights of the creator - we
cann't really blame them for trying to make money out of their own ideas...
Apart from that I agree with the rest of your post :)
regards,
Hassan
balachandar muruganantham wrote:
hi
On 8/20/06, Hassan wrote:
Hi Chaks,someone else' pie ? >Desktop is/was/will be microsoft's arena - unless
Great to see a post from you on desktop computing.
My only concern is why does the linux community always tries to eat
ofcourse someone like Redhat/Novell tried >to build a worthy linux desktop -
Frankly I don't see that happening anytime soon.
i guess ubuntu is doing that and i heard from my colleagues(who have
windows background) that ubuntu is good for desktop. i hope u know
about that.
Redhat is nothing short of a traitor - They gained immense popularity dueto their free (as in cost & freedom) desktop version. But once they were
under limelight, they abandoned their desktop users for their enterprise
customers (If you think FC is any good - think again - it could have been
the coolest distro - something that could have challenged MS - But not
anymore). The truth is many adopt linux because it is free of cost and not
because of its ideology.It is only the community that feels that way. To the
normal user in India, it is just the cost factor that matters.
Exactly, well said.
business that won't pay back. Lets assume Redhat (highly unlikely) buys all
When companies like Novell,RedHat have decided their target are Desktop
Users, why would they not get exclusive rights like how M$ has ?. Sure,
there should be a way. If M$ is able to do things, why not WE.
As for this, all that I can say is no company is going to put money into a
the rights for these patented technologies & releases it for no charge to
the desktop users. So far so good. But what is Redhat gaining ? A great user
base. But what is the point of an userbase that probably won't buy any of
the desktop software - as there are free alternatives for almost everything
else.
i agree
Or maybe lets say Redhat releases the product and charges for each license(most of the patented techs expect royalties for each copy - so it is only
natural)... do you think the average user will buy it ? No way. To him/her
it is just like paying for windows os. To them it really won't matter if it
comes with source or not - After all how many average users have you seen
who are willing to go in deep to the source level ? Maybe some in the linux
community might buy a few copies to show solidarity.... Or maybe redhat
could give the os for free and then run advertisements on your desktop :)
But that would turn it into another MS....
sure
My point is why at all are we targetting desktop computing at all. Linux'strength lies in the server market... and we have credible competitors there
- AIX & open-solaris. That is the place where linux can outshine MS, IBM &
Sun.
linux server market should not go down.
Linux might become a victim of its own success. Concerted efforts in aspecific direction yields better results than trying to progress in multiple
directions.
exactly
regards,
Hassan
Chakkaradeep C C wrote: Hi all,
gonna
Before reading my mail, I would like you all to read Open Source guru
advocates ideological
shift
Thats running in my mind for more than 6 months. How far GNU/Linux is
compromise on the Desktop Market ?geeks(like
The people who are going to use GNU/Linux as their Desktop arent
us). They do not even know what a "command line tool" and no way you canus
make him/her to learn, as he/she would tell, why would he/she has to learn
!.
We do know that there are patent rights with Mp3,DVD etc., There are no
support for many plugin formats for the same reason too. If one needs such
things to be done, he/she is redirected to pages like ,
- For Ubuntu
- For Novell/SuSE
- For RedHat
Dont these have to work out of the box if you really want it to be used by
the normal people ?
Yes, companies need to compromise and thats what M$ had done during the
start (Gud or Bad,one has to admit).
I would say this is one of the reasons, people fear of adopting GNU/Linux
into Desktops.
When companies like Novell,RedHat have decided their target are Desktop
Users, why would they not get exclusive rights like how M$ has ?. Sure,
there should be a way. If M$ is able to do things, why not WE.
Take a GNU/Linux Desktop Oriented Distro, list out things what would be
required to make it still better(in terms of out of the box support), let
prepare the list, take survey, and submit online the results.This willhelp
the companies understand that there are quite large number of peopleneeding
these requirements.(I am sure they would know already)many
There are many other things also that we need to compromise. There are
proprietary products in Linux itself (like, CrossOverOffice) which aregreat
deal for Desktop Users. If we neglect them,and just strive for onlyFREE(as,
Free of Cost), I think the situation would be the same and sure normalpublic
people would not be able to use GNU/Linux.
Am not at all telling that GNU/Linux is not growing or there are only
pitfalls. These issues are something we need to keep track of.And my kind
advice would be to spread the word FREE as in FREE TO USE/REDISTRIBUTE and
not as in FREE OF COST. That leads into a different scenario.
We are doing a good job in spreading about GNU/Linux by conducting LDDs at
various institutions. Is there any way to conduct LDD for the normal
?. If so, then , it would be great show and sure our voices will reach thehttp://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Community_Board_Home
Public, Media.
One of the main reason for me to be with Freespire ,
is their Vision on how to make GNU/Linux best in the Desktop Usage. They
have legal rights in giving out the restricted
formatsout
of the
box.Please dont think am here to spread about Freespire. These things are
the basic needs for a Desktop User.
The future of GNU/Linux is good if we make GNU/Linux the best in Desktop
Usage as stated by Eric Raymond.
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Regards,
C.C.Chakkaradeep,
Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
http://chakkaradeep.livejournal.com/
http://www.yoper.com
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