Oscar, contact me at peter95123@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, I can give you contact info for the shop we use to do HDI designs. Peter _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of O Migs Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:24 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: copper filling of micro vias. I have 2 shops telling me that they can't do it. They can fill the inner blind via and the core, but not the L1-L2 via. I'm using a construction 2+8+2 construction w/ stack vias and a core from L2-L7. Can anyone recommend a good fab for HDI designs? Thanks, -oscar On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Douglas Stanley <dstanley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We use a 5 mil drill and a 10 mil pad on both inner and outer layers. _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of O Migs Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:21 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: copper filling of micro vias. What is your minimum drill size? We are using 12pad 5drill from L1-L2, L2-L3. Regards, -oscar On 5/19/08, Douglas Stanley <dstanley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We do boards every day that are 3 and 3 with microvias in pad. The board shops completely fill the hole with copper and then plate over it. They then planerize the copper so the pad is flat. I think it's pretty standard nowadays. We simply add a note to the fab drawing to plate the microvia closed and to "repad" so the surface is flat. Douglas G. Stanley PC Board Designer, Sr. Staff Broadcom Corporation- Irvine, CA dstanley@xxxxxxxxxxxx (949) 926-5889 _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of O Migs Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:58 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] copper filling of micro vias. Hi All, Does anyone know the requirements to copper fill or epoxy fill a microvia? microvia is via in pad. Is there an alternative? I have a design that requires a fanout of 3.5 mil trace and 3mil airgap out of a finepitch bga. -oscar ____________________________________________________ oscar miguelino | lead pcb engineer | OQO, inc. 583 shotwell street | san francisco, ca 94110 (this message constitutes confidential information proprietary to OQO, Inc.)