[HFbeacons] Re: Greyline Beacons 5 December 2013

  • From: WJ5O <wj5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Brandon J <bdjorda@xxxxxxxxx>, hfbeacons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:20:20 -0600

*Good Morning Brandon,

I don't know of a web page that comes close to identifying what's happening with ten meter propagation.... The little knowledge that I have comes from many years of observing the 10 meter propagation phenomena.

I do know some things about backscatter signals..... when the ions over the equator area is sufficiently charged enough to reflect some of a signal close to 180°. The trans equatorial path being open is a good indication that backscatter can occur.

Operators with directional antennas in the Northern hemisphere can point their antennas South East early, South at mid day & South West later in the day and can expect backscatter signals if the TEP is open. Backscatter signals quite often will have a "flutter" or "watery" sound and are subject to very rapid fading in and out. I have logged backscatter signals with an East/West dipole but, generally any antenna other than a direction agile antenna is useless.

Usually "E" reflections can be expected in the day time and early evening during the month of December (Northern Hemisphere) and June & July..... However, weather conditions often seem to cause E clouds to form at very odd times....including thunderstorms and frontal systems.

73 Bill WJ5O*


On 12/5/2013 7:40 PM, Brandon J wrote:
Hi Bill. I am fascinated by 10 meter propagation but am still very low on the learning curve. Can you or anyone else on the list recommend a good web site or book that helps one identify what propagation mode they may be receiving? Another one mentioned a bit is back scatter.

I've done a bit of 'googling' on 10 meter propagation, but not found anything yet that really helps a novice determine the propagation mode of a signal they are receiving.

My report of possible E skip last night regarding reception of AC0MO, I am now pretty sure it was meteor scatter. Rapid fade up to an excellent signal and then slightly less rapid fade out less than a minute later.

I have noticed some evenings that the band dies out at sunset, but other evenings some signals are present into 0100 UT, tonight for instance. AC4DJ (FL) and K5AB (TX) are audible here in W TN at 0130 UT after the band is generally dead. Are these E skip?

73,
Brandon

On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:13 PM, WJ5O <wj5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wj5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

*Joshua,

They are terms used to describe which cloud layer reflects the signal....The E layer is ion charged clouds much lower in the atmosphere and will cause a reflected signal to be near the listener..... F layer reflections will cause the listener to be a greater distance from the beacon station. Sometimes multi hop Es will be considered F layer reflections. Note my mileage entries below and quite likely all those over 1500 miles from my location are F layer reflections.

Questions?...Don't hesitate to ask.

73 Bill WJ5O*
On 12/5/2013 5:21 PM, Joshua Inman wrote:
What are the e's and the f's? Illegal beacons?

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On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:10 PM, WJ5O <wj5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wj5o@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

*Good Evening All,

The December "E"'s appeared along with the usual "F"'s this bandscan.....WA2DVU first time in the log.

22:40 Z, 5 December 2013 I can hear 28 ten meter beacon signals into EM71as.

28.1895  LU2DT      MAR DEL PLATA, ARGENTINA      8295 km 5154 miles
28.1935  LU2ERC     ENSENADA BA, ARGENTINA        7967 km 4950 miles
28.197   LU5FB      ROSARIO, ARGENTINA            7624 km 4737 miles
28.197   VE7MTY     PITT MEADOWS, BC, CANADA      3605 km 2240 miles
28.199   LU1FHH     EL TREBOL SF ARGENTINA        7550 km 4691 miles
28.2035  K6LLL      MISSION VIEJO, CALIFORNIA     2959 km 1839 miles
28.2035  PY2WFG     IPIRANGA, BRAZIL              5940 km 3691 miles
28.2052  N3NIA      RIDGWAY, PENNSYLVANIA          1233 km 766 miles
28.2113  N6QIH      DRAPER, UTAH                  2510 km 1560 miles
28.216   K3FX       NEPTUNE CITY, NEW JERSEY       1424 km 885 miles

28.2165  N7MA       CATALDO, IDAHO                3113 km 1934 miles
28.227   KC6WGN     LAS VEGAS, NEVADA             2715 km 1687 miles
28.2293  KA2LIM     BIG FLATS, NEW YORK            1415 km 879 miles
28.236   W8YT       MARTINSBURG, WEST VIRGINA      1112 km 691 miles
28.239   VA7PL      CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN, BC CANADA   3407 km 2117 miles
28.2478  K6EMI      FULLERTON, CALIFORNIA         2988 km 1856 miles
28.250   K6FRC/B2   SUTTERS MOUNTAIN, CALIFORNIA  3233 km 2009 miles
28.250   K7EK       GRAHAM, WASHINGTON            3510 km 2181 miles
28.250   K8NDB      YUMA, ARIZONA                 2688 km 1670 miles
28.2573  WA2DVU     CAPE MAY, NEW JERSEY           1292 km 803 miles

28.261   NJ3T       SOMERSET, PENNSYLVANNA         1105 km 687 miles
28.2848  WA3IIA     BLOOMSBURG, PENNSLYVANIA       1337 km 831 miles
28.287   WI6J       BAKERSFIELD, CALIFORNIA       3067 km 1905 miles
28.290   N6UN       SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA         2924 km 1817 miles
28.296   KA7BGR     CENTRAL POINT, OREGON         3450 km 2144 miles
28.2978  WA3BM      VALENCIA, PENNSYLVANIA         1131 km 703 miles
28.2985  K7FL       BATTLE GROUND , WASHINGTON    3487 km 2167 miles
28.300   K6FRC      TRACY, CALIFORNIA             3233 km 2009 miles

73 Bill WJ5O
Southern Alabama*

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