2013/7/12 Kit <kervas@xxxxxxxxx> > > 2013/7/12 Luposian <luposian@xxxxxxx> > >> We, as a community, MUST figure out how to prevent a sudden, >> "disappeared-off-the-face-of-the-earth" situation like this. >> >> I think having all the eggs in one basket, while extremely convenient, >> also allows events like this to occur. And, if there are/were apps that we >> wanted to get? Too late, now. No way of knowing when (or if) we'll ever >> see them again. >> >> The fact there was no warning, whatsoever, tends to make one wonder just >> what, exactly, happened. Massive power outage? DDoS attack? Did the >> NSA/FBI/CIA confiscate the site, because Karl is actually a radical Muslim >> spy? Or... one dare not even think this thought, but... was a HUGE bounty >> given, and Karl took the money and ran? Anything is possible, but until >> someone "in the know" actually speaks up, we WON'T know. >> >> I think we need to also have a level of quality for Haiku software >> submitted, that keeps track of what runs and what doesn't, on what >> revision(s) of Haiku. Setting the standard of "only the last official >> Alpha", allows for far too many apps to break between nightly revisions >> that span the huge gulf between official Alphas. >> >> Redundancy would have prevented this incident from happening. I assume >> mirrors would prevent this from happening. Or maybe just sites with links >> to every developer and each dev maintains their own software quality >> control. That way, if one dev's site goes down, it doesn't throw >> everything into a black hole. >> >> Just some various thoughts... >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >> >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Jimmy <jimmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:49 AM, pete.goodeve@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> We haven't lost BeBits and HaikuWare, I hope...? >> >> I followed a link to a BeBits app, and get "www.bebits.com -- site >> not found"! >> >> So I went to check Haikuware, and reach similar nonexistence. (:-() >> >> (Other web access seems OK here.) >> >> >> >> I *really* hope this is a temporary glitch! >> >> >> >> -- Pete -- >> > Just to add 2 cents.. I used to get apps via BeShare back in the day. >> Maybe we don't need a haikuware site.. Maybe just a pretty face on >> something like BeShare to turn it into an App Store, (without a web site >> based hub.) >> > Beos was always about simplifying the standard models of the day.. >> > Shaka >> >> > > I agree with you on your first sentence. It is important to have > redundancy for sites as important as those two. > Or maybe haiku-os.org can have a sort of bare bones repository of third > party software, a sort of backup, without having to be too advanced or > glitzy. Perhaps a simple organized directory listing. Maybe even FTP? > > That said, I would like to believe that this is at worst a forgotten > reminder, or a technical glitch. > > Like Matt said in a separate thread[1], Karl has proved himself > trustworthy enough so far, that we should at least give him the benefit of > the doubt. > > There is no need to go down to using an alarmist tone, even if it was the > case that you were joking. ("radical muslim spy"? or suggesting he is an > elaborate fraudster. C'mon. Cut him some slack) > > In any case, hopefully the truth is not something worse, like Pete floated > out[2], that something could've happened to Karl. > Hopefully he is ok and this is just a glitch, and everything will be back > to normal, and this helps us learn how to prevent this in the future. > > Pete noted there are other sites that are down too. > > You need to realize something else too. I know there have been several > people that have downloaded the complete BeBits website, I think there is > even a tutorial out there to do so. > That means that at least one or two other souls could help in restoring a > good portion of that website. > I can only assume someone has done something similar with Haikuware. > > Let's try to not be alarmist, let's find a way to avoid this in the > future, and let's hope that everyone involved with both websites is ok. > > Cheers, > - Kit > > (P.S. Please don't top-post :) > [1] //www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haikuware-BeBits-gone-missing,7 [2] //www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haikuware-BeBits-gone-missing,8