[guispeak] Re: eBook Accessibility

"david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:09:00 -0500

It would take just as long to do that for the "short term" as it would to 
put something in place that does not depend on publishers or adobe at all.

7 is already out, how to you think this disabling will take place and over 
what "short term" time frame?

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: eBook Accessibility

Hi Will,

Ultimately, I must agree here, at least for the short term.  For the short
term, Adobe should disable the publisher's ability to be inaccessible until
both accessibility and content protection can be fully achieved together.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: eBook Accessibility

> Hi;
>
> Yes, Open Book and Kurzweil do allow you to print to a virtual printer
> driver so that you may perform OCR on PDF documents.  However, the problem
> with this approach in terms of the PDF digital rights management system,
> is
> that a publisher can disable printing of that PDF document, rendering
> conventional OCR useless.  I can think of a way to perform OCR, but it
> would
> be restricted to the currently visible portion of the Window, and would be
> CPU intensive, as it would work based on the GDI GetPixel() function.
>
> So, the only way to guarantee accessibility to PDF documents, in my
> opinion,
> is for the ability to turn off content extraction by access technology to
> be
> taken out of Adobe's DRM system.  The other methods either have technical
> or
> legal implications.
>
> Will
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: eBook Accessibility
>
>
>> Hi Kevin -- I have a question: Do the various book reading programs such
> as
>> OpenBook and K1000 do much the same thing as this program? I know the
> access
>> programs do much more than OCR in that they also speak and read DAISY and
>> brf and who knows what else, but not having used any of them as yet, I'd
> be
>> interested in knowing more about pdfmagic and what exactly it translates
> the
>> pdf document to.
>> Also, there is a program called pdfconvert that I bought from
>> scansoft.com
>> for $49 that translates pdf docs to Microsoft Word format with all forms,
>> images and layout preserved.  Obviously this is useful for pdf access,
>> but
>> what I'm wondering is how this would work with a pdf doc with the
>> accessibility options turned off. I have never tried it on such a file.
>> Also, jaws 6.0 and acrobat 7.0 are now working together better than ever
>> before to make pdf docs accessible, so could you please tell me more
>> about
>> the access options that you say can be turned on or off by publishers? Is
>> this still a problem? or are all pdf docs now accessible?
>> Confused...
>> Thanks in advance.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: eBook Accessibility
>>
>>
>> also, there's a program called pdf magic
>> you can buy it from
>> www.readingmadeeasy.com
>> along with other similar tools.
>> this program performs ocr on pdf files thus extracting even the locked
> ones.
>> it costs around $60 and I have found it very useful.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:Programming-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Will
>> Pearson
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:42 PM
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxx; guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> Programming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: eBook Accessibility
>>
>>
>> Hi;
>>
>> I've just downloaded a few e-books from Amazon, and thought I would
>> notify
>> you of the current state of affairs, as books are useful in a range of
>> situations.
>>
>> Whilst Adobe still allow content publishers to disallow content
>> extraction
>> by access technology, meaning screen readers won't be able to read books
>> that have had this option disallowed, more publishers are allowing it.  I
>> downloaded about three books published by John Wiley and son.  All these
> had
>> content extraction by access technology allowed, which was something
>> Wiley
>> turned off in their e-books only six or so months ago.  So, it looks like
>> Wiley books are now accessible, as well as those from some smaller
>> publishers.
>>
>> Whilst persuading publishers to allow access is a difficult task, and one
>> Adobe should have taken the lead on by not allowing them to disable
> content
>> extraction by access technology, it does seem as some of the big
> publishers
>> are now gaining social consciences.
>>
>> Will Pearson
>> Microsoft MVP
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