Allen D I don't know how you received the picture but on Yahoo it was not really readable. If it was like this for you also, you will have to download it then you will be able to read it. You see -- again you appear to have decided what I said without reading it because if you had (and understood) then you would not have said what you have said here. Hint -- see particularly the text in the bottom right hand corner. Regarding being a closet geocentrist -- you knew wrong. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2007 3:22:55 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational motion of the earth...... Congratulations Paul !. Your diagram shows and just proved that if the earth did in fact go around the sun according to HC then the fixed camera focused ~parallel to the ecliptic (north or south) axis, over the course of six moths will be pointing in a entirely different direction and thus looking a different stars in a different ecliptic latitude of the celestial sphere in the sky ( not just different stars on the same ecliptic latitude) A wopping 24 degrees in a different direction altogether with entirly different stars ....NOW GO DO THAT AN SEE IF THAT EVER HAPPENS IN REALITY........hint....IT DOES NOT!!! .........Paul, I knew you were a closet geocentrist all the time.....:-) Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Greetings interested parties! Comments in this colour From j a Wed Nov 14 20:45:30 2007 What Paul is saying is the same thing I've been trying to get across. An ally! When attempting to record an annual trail; as the camera moves to the next photo op it also gets tilted by the rotation on the nightly axis. Tilting the camera for the next photo alters where any particular star will fall on the photo plate. Surley you must see how altering the camera angle while collecting for a single trail (whether nightly or annual) would alter the trail? From j a Wed Nov 14 21:49:52 2007 Didn't we determine that 23'56" was the proper time to record the annual star trail and that at 24hours we would not record a star trail? NO 24 hours exposures.. Sorry -- this time Allen got it right! From Allen Daves Wed Nov 14 23:43:00 2007 I think I understand what you are getting at now..?...........Allen! Can I truly stop trying now? Well I've got a picture for you all anyway. Please tell me if you don't understand this. Paul D Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. http://au.yahoo.com/worldsbestmail/viagra/index.html