# [geocentrism] Re: translational motion of the earth......

• To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:51:04 +1000

```Does anybody other than allen think I said anything to do with stars..other
than Polaris, "how in the world do you come up with stars that are only  .5mm
distance across..? "   read it again Allen..

We must not get distracted from the important criteria, that with the scale of
observation being 430 light years as 13 kilometers, and the two axels being
within a point less than 0.5mm such must be allowed to be considered as two
spins around the same centre with different axes. That 2AU and R  must be
allowed as equivalent.

Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational motion of the earth......

Philip,

If you look ain any direction and then look in another direction that is
23.44 degrees offset from the first ..how in the world do you come up with
stars that are only  .5mm distance across..? ... Philip think about what you
are saying....The sun moves back and forth across the sky 23
degrees......................is that only .5mm accros?...........distnace is
irrelevant any star at any distance will still have the same 23 of arc that the
sun or any other objects does in the sky...23 degrees is 23 degrees. In fact,
the further the distance away to the star the further the star is away from
that axis..?.

Allen as usual you put in too many words for anybody to glean what you are
saying..

We must distinguish the difference between rotation of the inclination,
(that would be a precession which does not interest us here) and the actual
physical rotation of the body itself.

Take a basic example,
See my post using a wheel with a dot on its rim. If the dot is the planet
with a fixed inclined angle It is possible for it to turn one spin per orbit
whilst maintaining the correct enclined orientation. With these periods, the
sun would see the same face of the world, for the whole year, except that there
would be a seasonal change of view N -S  .. That is the first spin, an annual
spin that Neville expects us to see.

On top of that the world has a second spin daily so that the world can get
barbecued evenly..

Its that simple.

We must not get distracted from the important criteria, that with the scale
of observation being 430 light years as 13 kilometers, and the two axels being
within a point less than 0.5mm such must be allowed to be considered as two
spins around the same centre with different axes. That 2AU and R  must be
allowed as equivalent.

Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: translational motion of the earth......

Translational motion is also referred to as "sliding" or "rolling" motion
(to change position without rotation). see attached diagram .....In HC the
nightly axis of rotation or the celestial pole the axis translates around the
orbit of the earth. This is to say that the axis always faces the same
direction ..I¢ll even use Paul¢s diagram to show it ( i expounded upon it) ( i
will reinvent the wheel latter) The celestial pole does not rotate around the
ecliptic axis as Regner showed in his diagram..!? Although I agree (as per
HC/AC) the celestial axis "translates"/ ("slides" to keep looking in the same
direction of the sky) around the ecliptic axis annually. ( if faces that same
direction at the same angle, it does not rotate as Regner showed it to, and if
it did that would even further frustrate any and all attempts to explain it) On
24 hour intervals the camera is inline with the spokes on a bicycle running
from the night side of the earth to the sun. On 24 hour intervals ( midnight)
over the course of a year the camera is in it¢s radial position, not its
"translated position".( Every 23 h 56 min the camera would be in its translated
position.) A radial position over the course of the period of any orbit cause a
net effect of a rotation of the film and camera around the ecliptic axis in the
same way that the camera would nightly. See Paul¢s diagram attached.......
Notice, that on 24 hour intervals regaudell of the translated conditon of the
celestial axis the observer is in a radial position with the spokes extending
out from the sun to the observer, over the cours of a year the fixed camera
will have rotated around the ecliptic axis. The rotational condition cannot be
avoided and thus cannot be negated observably.

----- Original Message ----
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:42:44 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Two spin axes of Earth?

Regner, Paul and all,

You cannot have "translational motion" (or any motion for that matter)
where every 24 hours  lined up as a spoke on a wheel (midnight) at the same
point on earth while in a orbit around the sun and not have a rotational
condition for the fixed observer/photo plate.....That is "TECHNICALLY" called a
"physical absurdity".!?. Nor can It even be modeled in reality
period!......Even if his diagram was true, which it was not even close...

Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Regner T
From Regner Trampedach Tue Nov 13 14:47:09 2007
Thank you for your illustration EarthOrbit2.gif (9KB). It awaits
Allen's confirmation of course, but assuming this is forthcoming, it explains
what he was saying -- which was beyond my ability to comprehend. Well done!
Oops! While writing this, another saga arrived -- it appears Allen is
withholding his confirmation! I got the impression he didn't read all the stuff
in capitals but I may be wrong.
You state (in capitals on a line by itself) THERE IS NO ROTATION AROUND
THE ECLIPTIC AXIS. I take it this is a technically correct statement which does
Paul D

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