[geocentrism] Re: expelled
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:18:10 +1000
Not my composition.. Mary Anne did the comment..
I do not believe in Inrelligent design.. but support it because it does well
in showing the weakness of chance evolution. ..
I believe in creation, as I have said many times. .. The 6 days may be symbolic
only of a sequence in instant creation, where the entire multi-billion year old
universe was created in an instant, having everything in place that appears to
support an evolved world. .. A week of days in that time scale is an instant
in any case...
But i have seen evidence well recorded of God creating in an instant.. Such
was a small fry demo of course..
That is the most important and amazing thing about this paradox of a
multibillion year old universe that existed only 7000 years or so.
It sorts out the willing from the unwilling... I will not serve! sayeth
Lucifer.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: expelled
Philip M
I was impressed with the lucidity of your review of "Expelled ..." -- well
done. You haven't convinced me I hasten to add, but well done.
I started last night after a couple of posts, to have a look at "Expelled
..." via Google and here it is 10h30 in the morning and I've just stopped. What
a marathon. After a few stops, the path led to Richard D's web site which had
so much interesting stuff I spent hours there and that led to another VERY
interesting site where I spent more hours. I've put a tiny sample below
indented. The address, well actually there are other links as well, but the
main one is http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/index.html. I read at several
parts but the address for the quote is
http://members.aol.com/chas1222/bepart53.html#ref5353. Like me, you won't be
convinced but there is just SO MUCH evidence on offer I couldn't believe my
eyes.
Letter #476 from RN of Moscow, Idaho
(On pages 17 and 18 of the Sept./Oct. 1991 issue of the magazine, Free
Mind, can be found the following comments by RN under the title "Toss the Book
at 'Em." RN sent BE a copy--Ed.)
I started writing letters to the editor against creationists six years ago
and soon found out that telling them what scientists say is like pouring water
on a duck's back. The only way to reach them is to tell them what the Bible
says. Or, in other words, throw "The Book" at them!
I have found the biblical approach extremely effective. I have knocked out
several dozen fundamentalists, including two preachers and a local columnist.
Whenever possible, I try to make my letters funny, so that the general public
will laugh at the fundies. Recently, an evangelical acquaintance informed me
that the better known of the preachers no longer has any credibility in
Christian circles. And I keep bumping into businesspersons and professors who
appreciate my efforts. And, best of all, only newcomers dare to write letters
to the editor about school prayer or creationism. The rest of them are silent
except, no doubt, for daily prayers for my demise.
Make no mistake about it: the worst enemy of the fundamentalists is the
Bible. For us Humanists, however, it is indeed a "good book." Let us use it
more often....
These letters are interesting in their own right but the REALLY interesting
stuff is the reason why BE existed. Do have a look.
Paul D
PS This guy -- RN -- looks a lot like Bernie B's opposite number!
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism list <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, 20 April, 2008 9:21:44 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] expelled
I just went to see Expelled and couldn't resist writing a commentary on
it.(below) Go see it. Ben Stein does a great job. The interspersing of old film
clips with the points he's making is a hoot. It's not for little kids --
footage on the Holocaust appears. One thing that's crystal clear is that ideas
have consequences and so does the suppression of ideas. These scientists have
paid a heavy price for daring to raise questions about evolution. Hopefully,
this movie will shine enough light to raise the consciousness of millions of
people. But the big money will be going after it bigtime. (By the way, I
learned while doing research that Gore's movie opened in 4 theatres. This film
opened in a thousand. Which film do you think will end up getting more hype?
Follow the money.
Watch for the bit on Planned Parenthood.
Mary Ann Kreitzer
www.lesfemmes-thetruth.org
"The first law of history is not to dare to utter falsehood; the second, not
to fear to speak the truth."
Pope Leo XIII
The comment.
What a weekend! Ben Stein’s Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed opened on a
thousand screens around the country, and the Darwinists are going ballistic.
P.Z. Myers and Richard Dawkins accuse Stein of deceit in gaining interviews
with them. He denies it. (When did Dawkins, at least, ever miss an opportunity
to appear in front of a camera?) Producers are accused of stealing the
animation used in the film to demonstrate the complexity of the cell. Not true,
they reply, Premise Media created it. Liberal blogland is erupting with the
news that Myers, a blogger, was “expelled” from a preview screening of the film
on Good Friday. (Why should the producers give him an opportunity to trash the
movie before opening?) Dawkins, like a teenage girl all atwitter at the prom,
prides himself on getting in.
The evolutionists are trashing the film, of course, mostly, one suspects,
because they don’t come across very well. No doubt they are embarrassed at
their own rants. If anyone appears like a religious fanatic in the movie, it’s
Richard Dawkins who reads from his book, The God Delusion and sounds like a
Baptist preacher attacking Satan, or in this case, the Old Testament God.
Dawkins is a true believer who holds his atheism with religious fervor and
treats anyone who disagrees with ridicule and contempt. What an ironic delight
to see him get some of his own medicine.
While Dawkins and Myers say Stein duped them (They were paid for their
interviews, one might add.), they also misrepresent the film as “promoting
creationism.” It doesn’t. The film examines the case of three scientists fired
and blacklisted because they dared to go against the prevailing, politically
correct view that life on earth in all its variety, evolved from a
single-celled organism. The scientists’ crimes were to question the
inadequacies in evolutionary theory and observe the evidence for Intelligent
Design. Isn’t that what scientists do – question and observe?
The first scientist interviewed, Dr. Richard Sternberg, was fired from the
Smithsonian Institution for daring to publish a peer-reviewed article that
treated Intelligent Design seriously. George Mason University fired Dr.
Carolyn Crocker for mentioning Intelligent Design to her second year biology
students. Guillermo Gonzalez, an astronomer with impressive credentials at Iowa
State University, was denied tenure and ultimately fired for his views
supporting ID. So goes the tolerance of the liberal evolutionary establishment:
question the dogma and you are shunned and expelled from the cult.
The movie addresses the issues with humor and examines the views of a number
of scientists and others on both sides of the question. It is amusing to see
the Intelligent Design scientists refusing to speculate on who or what the
“designer” is, while the atheists speculate that life began on a crystal or was
“seeded” by alien intelligence. Really! One thing that comes across loud and
clear in the movie is that serious scientists are questioning evolution, or at
least they were. Using the Berlin Wall as an image, Stein points out that a
wall has been erected to prevent discussion in scientific circles of anything
challenging the evolution doctrine. Those scientists who dare to breech the
wall are likely to lose their careers. Some scientists spoke on camera
anonymously. Does scientific inquiry win when questioning is suppressed and
people are afraid to speak for fear of retaliation? Keep in mind that big money
is involved. Those who question the creed are denied jobs, can not get
published (essential for scientists), and are denied research grants. Cutting
off jobs and grants is an effective way to suppress a point of view.
Stein’s movie resonates with those who have watched academia’s love affair
with political correctness. Studies show that most professors on college
campuses are liberals. The denial of free conservative speech on campus is an
old problem. The American Center for Law and Justice repeatedly accepts cases
defending college students persecuted for their beliefs. What happened to the
scientists in Expelled just takes the issue to a new level – distinguished
professors who dare to challenge the liberal party line (including evolution)
can expect the rubber hose treatment.
Don’t miss Expelled. It’s penetratingly informative and amusing to boot.
It’s worth the price of admission to see Richard Dawkins exposed as the ranting
true believer and anti-religious bigot he is. Ben Stein won’t get an academy
award for this film; they’re reserved for faux documentaries like Al Gore’s An
Inconvenient Truth. Just go see the movie and take your friends. The best way
to expose simple organisms is to pick up the rock and watch them scurry.
Expelled has them on the run.
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