Allen Daves wrote: "The orbit of the sun is elliptical around the earth it is not a perfect spiral." Is the sun's orbital path elliptical in one 24 hour period? Is so, then what are the times of the day and night for the major and minor axis? Bernie --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 9:25 AM reformatted to adjust/fix horizontal scrolling ----------------------------------------------------------------- Is my wording in red below correct? L: Earth is stationary due to perfectly balanced Interactive Electromagnetic Forces. R: The sun, fixed within the rotating firmament, spiral-orbits the Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to spiral-orbit south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result from the yearly oscillating helical orbital path of the sun around the untilted/upright stationary Earth. Bernie Bernie, “Earth is stationary due to pefectly balancedInteractive Electromagnetic Forces.” That is one idea… 1. That is one idea but it really misses the fundamental root reason, even in terms of physics….if you go build a Ferris wheel the foundation is what everything else rest upon……the fact is that when the physical universe was laid down the earth is at the physical foundation from where all the rest of the universe was constructed upon. You see if you build a building it would be silly to ask why does the foundation not move? It can’t move because the physical universe is build upon this spot………of course you could destroy the building by trying to move the foundation…….in-fact Dodwell’s curve demonstrates a logarithmic sine wave curve of a table top gyroscope…where the earth is or is at the spot where the point to which the universe is “hinged” to… it can’t move because it is physically impossible to move the foundation stone without moving the whole universe. 2. The orbit of the sun is elliptical around the earth it is not a perfect spiral. This is the point to which I keep trying to make there is absolutely no reason for a translational orbit except to explain why the earths orbit cannot be seen from the earth…However as I keep pointing out this would and can only hold true looking from on earth. The relative motions between the other positions would not show the same things depending on what the actual motion is… Allen Daves