[geocentrism] Re: Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
- From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT)
Neville,
Do you mean the path is fixed like a gutter channel at a bowling alley?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bowlerbowling.JPG
Bernie
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:07 AM
This distinction is very important. It is the path that is fixed, not the
object, and this should be clearly specified.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
How does the Sun "spiral orbit" if it is "fixed within the rotating firmament"?
The term "fixed" is used in the same way that all other celestial bodies are
fixed to the firmiment and yet has their own intrinsic motions.... fiixed does
not mean that all objects in the firmiment move with the same motion at the
same rate........it really means that their paths are fixed not that they have
some static postion within the firmiment ...all celestial bodies have their own
and differing paths and motions...but we still refer to them as being fixed
within the firmiment...
.
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 7:40 AM
Allen/Bernie,
How does the Sun "spiral orbit" if it is "fixed within the rotating firmament"?
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
Allen,
"The distance from the sun to the Earth varies some three million miles
annually, but that is readily accounted for in a "perfect spiral" and doesn't
require an elliptical path."
I changed it to this now:
*Right image (below): The sun, fixed within the rotating firmament,
spiral-orbits the Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to
the Tropic of Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to
spiral-orbit south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result
from the yearly oscillating helical/concentric orbital path of the sun around
the untilted stationary Earth.
Bernie
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 4:54 PM
Bernnie,
It is the angle of the suns rays not this particular distance because it is
only 1.5% change from the average distance ( 3% total from furtherest to
nearest point) does not change the intensity of the sun's rays to any
meaningfull degree..in fact the sun is closest in the winter (january 91.4
million miles 147.09 million km) and futerest in the summer ( July 94.51
million miles 152.10 million km)
as for the hotest day ..that is due to a lot of factors...where you are on the
globe and not just north or south of the equtor but look...some the worlds
desterts lay on the same lattitude as rain forest do...it is not as simple as
how much sun a location gets that determines it's weather...
Allen,
Then the changes in the sun's radius would also cause changes
in the intensity of sunlight that reaches the Earth, thereby affecting
temperature. I wonder if at the top of the cycle ( Tropic of Cancer/Summer
Solstice )
that the sun is the furthest away and then over the next three months
moves to its closest position and then out again heading south still
over the next three months. Because I was wondering why the hottest day of the
year was about July 27 and not around June 27, so that might account for it.
Bernie
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:44 PM
Is the sun's orbital path elliptical in one 24 hour period?
No,
You have to imagine a spiral like the tip of a screw...it is constantly
changing it’s size growing larger then smaller again
The spiral is:
at its largest radius 94.51 million miles from earth
at its smallest radius 91.4 million miles from earth
Therefore:…. The radius of the sun’s orbit ( the spiral) is constantly
changing. Lets say it ( the spriral) starts out small at 91.4 million miles ,
the radius will constantly growing by :
Approximately
8,219.178 miles per day ( after one day the spiral will be this much larger or
smaller)
342 miles per hour( after one hour the spiral will be this much larger or
smaller)
5.7 miles per min ( after one min the spiral will be this much larger or
smaller)
.095 miles per sec ( after one sec the spiral will be this much larger or
smaller)
This is the rate at which the radius of the sun’s orbit ( the spiral) either
grows larger until it reaches 94.51 million miles (152.10 million km) from
earth and then it will begin to grow smaller at that same rate until the earth
sun distance (radius) reaches 91.4 million miles (147.09 million km)
A good way to imagine this is to look at a potters wheel as it turns..it turns
once every 24 hours .at the center is the earth ..…place your finger in the
clay, you make a circle, this is the sun.......now slowly move your finger out
3% of the radius of your first circle..now move your finger inward 3%......
that is the motion of the sun albeit the sun would also move in a spiral helix
up and down while it is moving out and in by 3% of the radius…..there are two
motions here one is up then down the other is in then out again..... So there
is the spiral up and down motion to account for the seasons but the size of the
spiral is constantly changing to account for changes in the distance over the
course of a year….
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 11:43 AM
Allen Daves wrote:
"The orbit of the sun is elliptical around the earth it is not a perfect
spiral."
Is the sun's orbital path elliptical in one 24 hour period?
Is so, then what are the times of the day and night for the
major and minor axis?
Bernie
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Yearly Oscillating Helical Orbital Path
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 9:25 AM
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Is my wording in red below correct?
L: Earth is stationary due to perfectly balanced Interactive Electromagnetic
Forces.
R: The sun, fixed within the rotating firmament, spiral-orbits the
Earth north-south and clockwise from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of
Capricorn in six months and then alters course laterally to spiral-orbit
south-north and clockwise for the next six months. Seasons result from the
yearly oscillating helical orbital path of the sun around the untilted/upright
stationary Earth.
Bernie
Bernie,
“Earth is stationary due to pefectly balancedInteractive Electromagnetic
Forces.”
That is one idea…
1. That is one idea but it really misses the fundamental root reason, even in
terms of physics….if you go build a Ferris wheel the foundation is what
everything else rest upon……the fact is that when the physical universe was laid
down the earth is at the physical foundation from where all the rest of the
universe was constructed upon. You see if you build a building it would be
silly to ask why does the foundation not move? It can’t move because the
physical universe is build upon this spot………of course you could destroy the
building by trying to move the foundation…….in-fact Dodwell’s curve
demonstrates a logarithmic sine wave curve of a table top gyroscope…where the
earth is or is at the spot where the point to which the universe is “hinged”
to… it can’t move because it is physically impossible to move the foundation
stone without moving the whole universe.
2. The orbit of the sun is elliptical around the earth it is not a perfect
spiral. This is the point to which I keep trying to make there is absolutely no
reason for a translational orbit except to explain why the earths orbit cannot
be seen from the earth…However as I keep pointing out this would and can only
hold true looking from on earth. The relative motions between the other
positions would not show the same things depending on what the actual motion
is…
Allen Daves
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