In response to Philip and Gary: <<< Philip wrote: For starters I will be glad to take you on re the moon landing, and I do not think as you do that geocentrism stands or falls upon this happening. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how scripture would be opposed by mans movement of things and himself onto other celestial bodies... >>> Okay, I was about to do this. In the geocentric arena there are basically two camps - the large universe and the small universe. Dr. Gerardus Bouw supports the large universe (and NASA Moon landings, probes, HST, etc., etc.) and I advocate the small universe. In the small geocentric, geostatic universe, NASA could never have landed upon the Moon for two reasons: 1. The Moon is simply going the opposite way to what we are taught, and 2. The stars are not stationary, but are rotating diurnally about the World. No. 1 means that anything fired toward the Moon would be going the wrong way and would therefore just smash into it. No. 2 means that it would be impossible to navigate to the Moon and back using the stars. I hope that answers the question. <<< Gary wrote: I don't believe we ever made it to the moon either. Bennett and Percy may not be right on every count, but then, not every question asked in any classroom is a valid one either. I think their mass of evidences speaks volumes. Neil R. had said in the first incarnation of this forum that he thought that people who believed such things were likely to believe in every other conspiracy. Well, that I may have to give him, since I believe that, among other things, Presidents Kennedy, Harding, McKinley, Garfield, and Lincoln were all murdered by the banksters....and FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, and that a jumbo plane never hit the Pentagon on 9-11, etc., etc. Neil's right. I'm a conspiracy nut. >>> There are several sites that label those who believe NASA as "Pro Apollo Nutters" (or PANs), so I could just easily dismiss Neil along the same 'logical' lines that he uses. For the record, there is no way whatsoever that an aeroplane hit the Pentagon - it was hit by a missile (see "Pentagate," by Thierry Meyssan, published byCarnot.) - this means that the whole '9-11' business was orchestrated by the US government. And it doesn't take much reasoning to figure out why. Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!