Glad to be back Neville. For starters I will be glad to take you on re the moon landing, and I do not think as you do that geocentrism stands or falls upon this happening. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how scripture would be opposed by mans movement of things and himself onto other celestial bodies... My personal project to the list is to prove or disprove by gyroscopic action that the world rotates on its axis. If we cannot disprove this then indeed geocentrism falls. Thus I will be debating Roberts position on the effect of the enertia of the rotating cosmos. We have already covered this somewhat privately. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Welcome back Dear All, Today is the 60th anniversary of the liberation of a remnant of God's people from Auschwitz, and the 38th anniversary of the murder of the NASA astronauts Grissom, Chaffee and White. I therefore considered this an appropriate day to restart the forum, since it is important that these events are not forgotten. As most of you already know, my position is that NASA have never landed anyone nor anything on the Moon (nor anywhere else, for that matter). The truth or falsity of this assertion is of the utmost importance and significance to the geocentric/heliocentric debate and hence I wish to confine my own involvement in the forum at the moment to arguments for or against this position. Once some form of concensus is reached, then I will proceed to other topics. You may all discuss what you wish, within reason of course, but I shall be confining myself to the NASA Moon claims for the time being. Finally, there now exists a Geocentrism "Statement of Faith," which will be posted soon. Welcome back!! Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!