In the small geocentric, geostatic universe, NASA could never have landed upon the Moon for two reasons: 1. The Moon is simply going the opposite way to what we are taught, and 2. The stars are not stationary, but are rotating diurnally about the World. No. 1 means that anything fired toward the Moon would be going the wrong way and would therefore just smash into it. [Now I am confused. So you do not deny we could supply the energy to hit the moon, only that we would not have the energy to control the landing. Also from your No 2 below, you only admit of a navigation problem. Surely the distances involved would give us no reason to need the stars for navigation, only the relative motions being necessary. Apparently your objection is only scientific and not scriptual, which supports my contentention, that a moon landing would not destroy geocentrism, merely be a cause for a revised scientific position. Philip] No. 2 means that it would be impossible to navigate to the Moon and back using the stars. Neville.