Geocentrist, I apologize that you've had to endure such behavior for so long before I came here and since I've been here as well, I am thus leaving the "list." I will however take the time and effort necessary to start a NEW list of Geocentrism for those of a more civil mind IF YOU wish such. I will NOT steal members from here, but if you wish, on your own volition to move to a more intelligent climate, I will accommodate your request. Just let me know directly to my email address: ancient@xxxxxxxxxxxxx if you please. IF a sufficient number of people (more than 5?) respond, then I will take time out this weekend and set up a new list and invite both "pro" and "con" people here, but not Mike and Alan. My apologies to you two as well, but your behaviour is not reconcilable. Kindest regards, Steve PS: Remember to respond directly to my address as I will not be responding to the list as it stands. I expect adult behaviour from those that would be upset at this happening and possibly some/many(?) members leaving. For those wishing a new avenue to pursue science...welcome.