Dear Philip, This is a classical situation. Two seemingly indisputable ways of measuring something and in contradiction with each other. Personally I would favour the measurable science of the eye against the relative measurements of Mars. Consider how much MS science would be destroyed if geocentrism were PROVED beyond RATIONAL doubt. That is what this forum is all about. The tenacity of MS science is man controlled not science controlled. Again that is what GWW is all about. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:40 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The resolution of Mars Dear Philip, Photons - shmotons - whatever it is there must be a limit to what the eye can detect. Jack yes, without help.. Thats why we have amplifiers.. But without frequency waves, photons must separate, and amplifiers will or could occupy a space where no packets of energy, as photons (bullets), exist.. Light is a coherent wave, not a particle. If it has impact this is due to aether effect, which as has been said elsewhere, is responsible for matter mass and inertia. My text book does not deny there is a problem with the corpuscle theory of EMR but accepts it in conjunction with wave theory. Why? heaven forbid, an aether? Back to Mars: Put it this way.. The math cannot be wrong, the distance and the size of Mars cannot be in error, and we can see it.. Conclusion, the eye can see it.. therefore the argument why an eye should not see it is in error. Rowbotham is wrong for the same reason re his flat earth. Philip.