Within the context of geocentrism: Modernism is not just a problem within the Church. It seems to have affected all the sciences. Our tertiary institutions seem to have come straight out of 1984. I met an old Barrister a year ago. I said to him. "You seem to have everything spot on in regard to many things. I never had much respect for University graduates. How come you get it so right with everything." "Thats because I got my degree when Universities taught people HOW to think, rather than WHAT to think," he replied. Is that when it went wrong? Its the money you see. Politics (I mean all politics corporate and state) control all money, and thus control follows. Example One: The Green house Gases Hoax. Just look at how much control of the economics of production and distribution this has caused. Only those independent scientists free of the money control see and speak out the truth. Example two. The Ozone Hole bonzana. Just how convenient for the owners of the patents on the freon refrigerants which were about to expire. Now we have to use refrigerants far more dangerous to people and environmens. The Ozone hole has always existed. It is a natural reaction between UV solar radiation and oxygen. It is entirely natural. It always appeared during the polar winters due to the absence of sunlight. I was part of the team albeit a mere tracking operater, at NASA'S Woomera satellite tracking station, in the 50's and the ozone hole was being mapped back then. The bannned refrigerants are heavier than air. They fall into the nearest pond as fast as a brick inwater. The only thing I can see that might effect the ozone layer would be a shift in the solar UV spectrum, such as some are claiming is happening right now. Have you checked whats happened to the 11year solar sunspot cycle lately? Yet we still have the good boys of science obeying Father. Are they complicit, or are they just plain poorly educated. My brother was head of Refrigeration Engineering with the large Moun Isa Mines complex. The largest project was keeping the near molten rock (and the operators) underground cool enough to work. I said to him. "You have done the same science as me. You know that this freon thing is a gigantic lie." "Oh yes," he replied. "I know. But its a good lie." He had a very permanent high paying job. Good lie indeed. "It keeps the people environmentally conscious with their rubbish " he said. So Geocentrism? I guess all the followers are old fogeys who know how to think, and the others are modernists who are paid what to think, and their followers who are taught by them. Philip.